Moving violation..NASA form?

"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...
"Nasir" wrote in message
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| I had done a stop and go during my long x-country and while departing out
of
| the class D, I requested permission to change frequency. I was rather
| bluntly told that I dont need permission.

No, you do not need permission. It is courteous to inform the tower that you
are changing frequencies. The guy who barked at you is a jerk. He will not
be the last one of those you will run into, either.

Just to clarify. If you are still within the boundaries of the
class D, then you do need permission. Once outside the class D
boundary, no permission or other communication is required.

My local tower has requested that pilots "go quietly" from the class
D and not request frequency change unless they are still within the
class D boundary. It cuts down on unnecessary radio clutter during
busy periods.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

On 11/3/03 3:35 PM, in article
, "John Galban"
wrote:

My local tower has requested that pilots "go quietly" from the class
D and not request frequency change unless they are still within the
class D boundary. It cuts down on unnecessary radio clutter during
busy periods.


That's interesting. Where I learned to fly (ITH), the tower controllers
routinely instructed pilots to "report clear of the Class D airspace."
Diff'rent strokes, I guess.

I wonder if it's dependant on whether the aiport has a radar feed or not. I
know that Ithaca does not, so may be requesting that you are clear. Airports
that either have there own radar, or have a feed from a nearby airport,
already know when you are clear.
-Steve

"ZikZak" wrote in message
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On 11/3/03 3:35 PM, in article
, "John Galban"
wrote:

My local tower has requested that pilots "go quietly" from the class
D and not request frequency change unless they are still within the
class D boundary. It cuts down on unnecessary radio clutter during
busy periods.


That's interesting. Where I learned to fly (ITH), the tower controllers
routinely instructed pilots to "report clear of the Class D airspace."
Diff'rent strokes, I guess.

Steve wrote:
I wonder if it's dependant on whether the aiport has a radar feed or not. I
know that Ithaca does not, so may be requesting that you are clear. Airports
that either have there own radar, or have a feed from a nearby airport,
already know when you are clear.
-Steve

I think not having a radar at the tower is exactly the reason the tower
wants to know your position and then grants "Changing frequency".
SAF is Class D and doesn't have radar, thus the ATC folks request to
report 5nm out and then tell you that "change of frequency approved".

Chris


"ZikZak" wrote in message
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On 11/3/03 3:35 PM, in article
m, "John Galban"
wrote:


My local tower has requested that pilots "go quietly" from the class
D and not request frequency change unless they are still within the
class D boundary. It cuts down on unnecessary radio clutter during
busy periods.


That's interesting. Where I learned to fly (ITH), the tower controllers
routinely instructed pilots to "report clear of the Class D airspace."
Diff'rent strokes, I guess.

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 10:07:43 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote:


"Nasir" wrote in message
.com...
|
| I had done a stop and go during my long x-country and while departing out
of
| the class D, I requested permission to change frequency. I was rather
| bluntly told that I dont need permission.

No, you do not need permission. It is courteous to inform the tower that you
are changing frequencies. The guy who barked at you is a jerk. He will not
be the last one of those you will run into, either.


While I was in training, I noticed that the tower would ask us where
we were going at some point after the initial contact following engine
start, if we didn't say so ourselves. Then when we took off, the CFI
would always tell the tower when we had departed the Class D airspace.
Depending on where we were going, cross country or just local for
maneuvering training, the tower would either approve a frequency
change or just thank us for informing him that we were departing the
class D space.

When I flew solo, and later after I got my PPL, I continued to inform
the tower when I departed it's airspace. Haven't flown into any
really busy airports though. Well I take that back, Portland is a
"busy" airport and we did not tell them when we departed their class C
space. The one I trained at isn't normally really busy.

Corky Scott

"Nasir" wrote in message .com...

I had done a stop and go during my long x-country and while departing out of
the class D, I requested permission to change frequency. I was rather
bluntly told that I dont need permission. I think in the back of my mind,
that little exchange was still in the back of my mind and maybe I partly
felt unncessary to bother the controller with my taxi request.

Ah! The solution here is remember something one of my first CFIs
told me.

There is no room for three people in the cockpit of a two-person
plane. Keep the controller OUT of the cockpit. If you get your
butt chewed out by a controller, it doesn't necessarily mean you
have done a thing wrong. You could have; or the controller could
have; or, the controller could be having a bad day and taking it
out on you.

Keep the controller out of your head and out of your plane and
move on. On the ground, assess the situation and figure out
what happened and how to do better in future, but don't let the
fear of being chewed out change your behavior.

Cheers,
Sydney