Drugs in the Cockpit

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:05:49 -0800, "C J Campbell"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Is this an example of better living through chemistry, or does
chemically altered consciousness of pilots cause more problems than it
cures?

When I first read it I thought it might be an April Fools joke.

Look up Cortex Pharmaceuticals: http://www.cortexpharm.com/main.html

Personally, I want to be able to learn things like in "The Matrix."

At what cost? If the USAF's use of drugs results in frendly-fire
accidents, is it a good idea?

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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When I first read it I thought it might be an April Fools joke.

Look up Cortex Pharmaceuticals: http://www.cortexpharm.com/main.html

Personally, I want to be able to learn things like in "The Matrix."

At what cost? If the USAF's use of drugs results in frendly-fire
accidents, is it a good idea?

Has it resulted in friendly-fire accidents? Yes, there have been
friendly-fire accidents. Yes, some of those pilots have been on 'go' pills.
But I have never seen an incident where it was established that the use of
'go' pills was the primary cause or even a significant factor in the
accident. It can even be argued the heightened alertness of the pilots
actually prevents these accidents from happening more often.

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:55:46 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote in Message-Id:
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Has it resulted in friendly-fire accidents? Yes, there have been
friendly-fire accidents. Yes, some of those pilots have been on 'go' pills.
But I have never seen an incident where it was established that the use of
'go' pills was the primary cause or even a significant factor in the
accident. It can even be argued the heightened alertness of the pilots
actually prevents these accidents from happening more often.

From the original article:

Also known as "speed," and, in the military, as "go pills,"
amphetamines are considered essential by some in the military to
maintaining a top-notch fighting force. Their use was not publicly
well-known until the drugs were implicated in a friendly-fire
incident in Afghanistan in 2002, in which an American F-16 pilot
mistakenly dropped a laser-guided bomb on Canadian soldiers,
killing four of them.

So while not yet an established cause of frendly-fire incidents, "go
pills" (amphetamines) seem to have been implicated as causal.

Ya know, of airline pilots involved in a fatal crash, in excess of 95% of
them had caffeine in their bloodstream at autopsy... Now, there is a
definite causal relationship between a drug and crashes that is being swept
under the rug - I smell a scandal here, a Pulitzer even... Where are
Bernstein and Woodworth, they must be sleeping at the switch...

Gawd I love statistics, I can prove anything!

denny
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:55:46 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote in Message-Id:
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Has it resulted in friendly-fire accidents? Yes, there have been
friendly-fire accidents. Yes, some of those pilots have been on 'go'
pills.
But I have never seen an incident where it was established that the use
of
'go' pills was the primary cause or even a significant factor in the
accident. It can even be argued the heightened alertness of the pilots
actually prevents these accidents from happening more often.

From the original article:

Also known as "speed," and, in the military, as "go pills,"
amphetamines are considered essential by some in the military to
maintaining a top-notch fighting force. Their use was not publicly
well-known until the drugs were implicated in a friendly-fire
incident in Afghanistan in 2002, in which an American F-16 pilot
mistakenly dropped a laser-guided bomb on Canadian soldiers,
killing four of them.

So while not yet an established cause of frendly-fire incidents, "go
pills" (amphetamines) seem to have been implicated as causal.

Lol, I agree Dennis,

Yep, a lot of people confuse correlation with causation.

If it rained the last four times you washed your car, there's a
100% correlation between you washing your car and it raining.
But you washing your car has 0% causation.

As the old saying goes....

figures dont lie
but liars figure



On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:43:19 -0500, "Dennis O'Connor"
wrote:

Ya know, of airline pilots involved in a fatal crash, in excess of 95% of
them had caffeine in their bloodstream at autopsy... Now, there is a
definite causal relationship between a drug and crashes that is being swept
under the rug - I smell a scandal here, a Pulitzer even... Where are
Bernstein and Woodworth, they must be sleeping at the switch...

Gawd I love statistics, I can prove anything!

denny
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:55:46 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote in Message-Id:
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Has it resulted in friendly-fire accidents? Yes, there have been
friendly-fire accidents. Yes, some of those pilots have been on 'go'
pills.
But I have never seen an incident where it was established that the use
of
'go' pills was the primary cause or even a significant factor in the
accident. It can even be argued the heightened alertness of the pilots
actually prevents these accidents from happening more often.

From the original article:

Also known as "speed," and, in the military, as "go pills,"
amphetamines are considered essential by some in the military to
maintaining a top-notch fighting force. Their use was not publicly
well-known until the drugs were implicated in a friendly-fire
incident in Afghanistan in 2002, in which an American F-16 pilot
mistakenly dropped a laser-guided bomb on Canadian soldiers,
killing four of them.

So while not yet an established cause of frendly-fire incidents, "go
pills" (amphetamines) seem to have been implicated as causal.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:55:46 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote in Message-Id:
:

Has it resulted in friendly-fire accidents? Yes, there have been
friendly-fire accidents. Yes, some of those pilots have been on 'go'
pills.
But I have never seen an incident where it was established that the use
of
'go' pills was the primary cause or even a significant factor in the
accident. It can even be argued the heightened alertness of the pilots
actually prevents these accidents from happening more often.

From the original article:

Also known as "speed," and, in the military, as "go pills,"
amphetamines are considered essential by some in the military to
maintaining a top-notch fighting force. Their use was not publicly
well-known until the drugs were implicated in a friendly-fire
incident in Afghanistan in 2002, in which an American F-16 pilot
mistakenly dropped a laser-guided bomb on Canadian soldiers,
killing four of them.

So while not yet an established cause of frendly-fire incidents, "go
pills" (amphetamines) seem to have been implicated as causal.

The trouble is that even AVweb has not said how these drugs were implicated.
In the incident they cite, the pilots were using 'go' pills. Nothing in the
investigation has shown any causal relationship with the accident. You might
as well say that the pilots' helmets or the fillings of their teeth were
implicated.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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At what cost? If the USAF's use of drugs results in frendly-fire
accidents, is it a good idea?

Has it resulted in friendly-fire accidents? Yes, there have been
friendly-fire accidents. Yes, some of those pilots have been on 'go'
pills.
But I have never seen an incident where it was established that the use of
'go' pills was the primary cause or even a significant factor in the
accident. It can even be argued the heightened alertness of the pilots
actually prevents these accidents from happening more often.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#187002

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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At what cost? If the USAF's use of drugs results in frendly-fire
accidents, is it a good idea?

Has it resulted in friendly-fire accidents? Yes, there have been
friendly-fire accidents. Yes, some of those pilots have been on 'go'
pills.
But I have never seen an incident where it was established that the use
of
'go' pills was the primary cause or even a significant factor in the
accident. It can even be argued the heightened alertness of the pilots
actually prevents these accidents from happening more often.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#187002

Ah. Because AVweb says they were implicated, they must have caused the
accident. Wouldn't be the first time that AVweb has gone out on a limb and
sawed it off.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#187002

Ah. Because AVweb says they were implicated, they must have caused the
accident. Wouldn't be the first time that AVweb has gone out on a limb and
sawed it off.

What part of the article states that? They report only what the Air Force
and ABC News have stated. They take no position. Pretty fair reporting I'd
say.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#187002

Ah. Because AVweb says they were implicated, they must have caused the
accident. Wouldn't be the first time that AVweb has gone out on a limb
and
sawed it off.

What part of the article states that? They report only what the Air Force
and ABC News have stated. They take no position. Pretty fair reporting I'd
say.

And all that they stated was that the pilot had taken one of the pills an
hour before the flight. He might have taken a dump, too. Where does the Air
Force say that this caused the accident?