Run-in with Chicago Center

You're right, I forgot. Freedom to fly direct ends at Richmond for me. But
it all makes sense given the density and restricted space I guess.

I'm going up to Saratoga this weekend - hope the weather agrees.

Can anyone suggest a good fuel stop in NJ? Price with a restaurant perhaps
(Solberg(?) and Blairstown come to mind.

"Guy Elden Jr." wrote in message
...
Heh, maybe as far south as Raleigh you can fly direct, but I have yet to
ever receive a clearance in the northeast that didn't involve a fairly
complicated, circuitous route. Normally I can negotiate once I get outside
the NY Class B and get some better routings, but it's nigh impossible to
file and fly direct around here.

I was very surprised on the way back from Raleigh a few weeks ago,
however,
when I was negotiating with clearance at RDU on the ground. Lots of bad
weather around Richmond and D.C. meant only a narrow line through the
storms, and the route I originally got took me right through the bad
stuff.
I called up a couple minutes later (while still parked at the ramp) and
asked if I could get a better route. They asked what I wanted, so I said
"direct Reading", and they approved it! (well, the computer did at least).
Of course as soon as I was handed off to Potomac approach things got a
little dicey, and no more direct Reading, but fortunately the controller
had
steered some planes through a gap in the weather, all reporting smooth
sailing, so I took his advice and got around the nasty stuff. Always good
to
have the better radar of approach guiding you through weather than center
(at least that's what I learned by watching the ASF DVD about thunderstorm
avoidance I got in the mail a few weeks ago).

--
Guy Elden Jr.


"Maule Driver" wrote in message
r.com...
And if you file/request direct - you'll fly direct. When I go from
Raleigh
to Florida, I tend to flyer a straighter line IFR than VFR - I'll tend
to
avoid the MOAs and stuff VFR.

It's easier to get radar weather help too.

"Guy Elden Jr." wrote in message
news
I agree about the increase in safety. I don't tempt fates unless
there's
a
clear line through thunderstorms, one that is visible above the cloud
tops,
and ice is just a simple no-go unless the clouds are nice and high (or
broken). I actually haven't even bothered trying to fly in winter if
there
are clouds near or above the freezing level.

I also realized something... time spent on pre-season football could
be
_much_ better spent on an IFR ticket for getting to the _real_ games
later
in the season! :-) Now that I've had my instrument ticket for over a
year,
I've found that I use it all the time, even in weather that is very
clear
and very visible. I like to fly long distances (done New Jersey to
Atlanta
twice now round-trip), and have found that if I'd just gone direct
versus
flying the airways I would've saved maybe 5 - 10 minutes tops on each
leg.
Not enough by far to leave behind the higher safety factor that IFR
offers.
You get separated from all IFR traffic, and usually get calls about
VFR
traffic. But even if you don't get a VFR call, the number of VFR
pilots
who
fly above about 2 - 3,000 feet AGL is much, much smaller than those
who
fly
closer to the ground. I can't even remember the last time I got a
traffic
call for VFR traffic while flying IFR anywhere above a cruising
altitude
of
4,000 ft.

Another thing to consider is that on those marginal days, you'll still
be
able to climb to a nice, comfortable cruising altitude and get better
fuel
economy... not to mention a much smoother ride, and depending on
direction,
a stiff tailwind to boot. The extra training alone will help improve
your
skills, which is always a good thing as we all continue to use our
"licenses
to learn".

--
Guy Elden Jr.


"Maule Driver" wrote in message
r.com...
Jay, the time thing is a bear.

But while you may not cancel many flights that you may "feel
comfortable
with flying IFR", you will make more of those flights that you do
make
"more
comfortably" IFR. More safely too.

Ironically, IFR you will spend more time in the sun rather than
among
the
attennaes. Bring your sunglasses.

Com'on Jay, try to make the time!

(but you've heard all that)

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:fLKUc.9708$Fg5.53@attbi_s53...
While the instrument rating may get one through some events, it
is
not
a
guarantee. In a single engine piston aircraft without weather
avoidance equipment, one runs the risk of flying into embedded
cells.

My main reason for not finishing up my instrument training has
been
a
lack
of time. A close second, however, is the fact that I have been
tracking
my
"weather vs. flight" ratio for several years, and it is indeed a
rare
VFR
flight that is cancelled because of conditions that I would feel
comfortable
with flying IFR.

The flights I've scrubbed have usually been because of
thunderstorms
(which
I wouldn't challenge IFR) or snow/ice -- for which my Pathfinder
is
not
equipped. I also have no weather avoidance equipment on board, so
flying
in
August in the clag would be unwise. (Check out a radar loop for
Iowa
today,
and you'll see why.)

The bottom line is painful, but true: Until I own a much more
capable
aircraft than Atlas, an IFR ticket would be a nice ego booster,
but
not
much
use.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Maule Driver wrote:

Can anyone suggest a good fuel stop in NJ? Price with a restaurant perhaps
(Solberg(?) and Blairstown come to mind.

Solberg has no restaurant. Blairstown is ok for a fast burger or something, but I
would recommend either Sky Manor (near Alexandria) or Central Jersey. Sky Manor has
good prices on gas and a nice restaurant. If you're in the mood for Italian food,
stop at Central Jersey (47N). The restaurant is a short walk (end of the driveway)
but is excellent. Fuel prices were so-so last time I checked. Both have self-service
pumps. Central Jersey also had fuel trucks the last time I was there.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

Solberg has no restaurant. Blairstown is ok for a fast burger or something, but I
would recommend either Sky Manor (near Alexandria) or Central Jersey.

If you do go to Sky Manor, be a bit careful about the runway. It runs downhill to the
west. If you're landing to the east, you get the distinct impression that you're high
on final when you aren't. Landing to the west, the numbers are on flat land. Hit
right after the numbers, and everything's fine. Try to land 100' further down, and
you're likely to plant the mains about midfield. Takeoffs to the east present no
problem, other than the long ground roll you'd expect from an uphill run. For some
reason, my plane gets squirrely if I try to raise the tail at the usual airspeed (~40
mph) when taking off downhill. You might want to keep the tail down a bit longer than
usual when departing to the west.

If you're coming through on a Saturday, there are frequently enough unusual aircraft
parked around the place to make it worth the stop for that alone. There are two of
those Russian amphibian aircraft based there.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

Thanks! I was thinking Sky Manor when I said Solberg - that's where we
stopped last time but didn't eat. Blairstown sounds like it hasn't changed
but we used to be based there.

Central Jersey sounds like a good candidate - may try it.


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Maule Driver wrote:

Can anyone suggest a good fuel stop in NJ? Price with a restaurant
perhaps
(Solberg(?) and Blairstown come to mind.

Solberg has no restaurant. Blairstown is ok for a fast burger or
something, but I
would recommend either Sky Manor (near Alexandria) or Central Jersey. Sky
Manor has
good prices on gas and a nice restaurant. If you're in the mood for
Italian food,
stop at Central Jersey (47N). The restaurant is a short walk (end of the
driveway)
but is excellent. Fuel prices were so-so last time I checked. Both have
self-service
pumps. Central Jersey also had fuel trucks the last time I was there.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

I was at Sky Manor Tuesday. They have a self-service pump and fuel was
(IIRC) around $2.65/gal. I believe the self-service pumps @ Central Jersey
are about the same. If you go to Sky Manor, be aware that the Sky Manor and
Alexandria CTAF changed from 122.8 to 122.975 in June. I got a surprise
when I got there Tuesday (old sectional) :-( The Restaurant at Sky Manor is
closed Tuesday and Wednesday. Another surprise.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love
America

"Maule Driver" wrote in message
r.com...
Thanks! I was thinking Sky Manor when I said Solberg - that's where we
stopped last time but didn't eat. Blairstown sounds like it hasn't
changed
but we used to be based there.

Central Jersey sounds like a good candidate - may try it.


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Maule Driver wrote:

Can anyone suggest a good fuel stop in NJ? Price with a restaurant
perhaps
(Solberg(?) and Blairstown come to mind.

Solberg has no restaurant. Blairstown is ok for a fast burger or
something, but I
would recommend either Sky Manor (near Alexandria) or Central Jersey.
Sky
Manor has
good prices on gas and a nice restaurant. If you're in the mood for
Italian food,
stop at Central Jersey (47N). The restaurant is a short walk (end of the
driveway)
but is excellent. Fuel prices were so-so last time I checked. Both have
self-service
pumps. Central Jersey also had fuel trucks the last time I was there.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.