First NASA form filed

"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote

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4-3-18. Taxiing
6. In the absence of holding instructions, a clearance to "taxi to" any
point other than an assigned takeoff runway is a clearance to cross ALL
runways that intersect the taxi route to that point.
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(emphasis mine)

While some may argue that clearance to cross each and every runway should
be given by ATC, at least in the US, that is NOT the case.


--ron

A trick here is, if you are given clearance to taxi to 31, but have to get
to the opposite side of 31 to get to the taxiway that will take you to the
departure end of 31, you may cross any other runways, but may not cross 31
without clearance.
--
Jim in NC

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:48:26 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:

A trick here is, if you are given clearance to taxi to 31, but have to get
to the opposite side of 31 to get to the taxiway that will take you to the
departure end of 31, you may cross any other runways, but may not cross 31
without clearance.

That would only be the case if Rwy 31 were your assigned takeoff runway.
The paragraph I quoted (paragraph 6) had to do with clearances to OTHER
than an assigned take-off runway.

For clearances to an assigned takeoff runway see paragraph 5 which clearly
states the point you are making with regard to taxiing to an assigned
takeoff runway:

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AIM 4-3-18. Taxiing

5. When ATC clears an aircraft to "taxi to" an assigned takeoff runway, the
absence of holding instructions authorizes the aircraft to "cross" all
runways which the taxi route intersects except the assigned takeoff runway.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE AUTHORIZATION TO "TAXI ONTO" OR "CROSS" THE ASSIGNED
TAKEOFF RUNWAY AT ANY POINT.
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(emphasis mine)
--ron

Re- read my post. That is what I said.
--
Jim in NC

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:39:12 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:

Re- read my post. That is what I said.


The post of yours to which I was responding was where you stated:

A trick here is, if you are given clearance to taxi to 31, but have to get
to the opposite side of 31 to get to the taxiway that will take you to the
departure end of 31, you may cross any other runways, but may not cross 31
without clearance.

I did not see in that post any indication that 31 was the "assigned
take-off runway".


--ron

"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote

A trick here is, if you are given clearance to taxi to 31, but have to
get
to the opposite side of 31 to get to the taxiway that will take you to
the
departure end of 31, you may cross any other runways, but may not cross
31
without clearance.

I did not see in that post any indication that 31 was the "assigned
take-off runway".


--ron

You are technically right, but picking at nits. Why else, in context with
the other posts subjects, would anyone not see that when I said, "given
clearance to taxi to 31", it was not the assigned runway.

Geez. You may now have the last word.
--
Jim in NC

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:42:26 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:

You are technically right, but picking at nits. Why else, in context with
the other posts subjects, would anyone not see that when I said, "given
clearance to taxi to 31", it was not the assigned runway.

Geez. You may now have the last word.

Since you insist :-)

Your response seemed to be to my posting, which was dealing, as was the
OP's original message, with taxiing to some place on the field other than
the assigned takeoff runway.


--ron