irrefutable bottom line about picture ID's

Icebound wrote:
"Some foreigner comes here on a mission....". No-where is it carved in
stone that a terrorist has to be foreign... as in McVeigh, for example.
Exactly. Foreigner or no foreigner a picture ID does nothing to stop someone
bound and determined to commit mayhem or harm others. Laws are effective only
for the law-abiding. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. But what the heck,
if a little more inconvenience and the addition of a "renewal fee" makes
us all feel safer its worth it I guess... sigh

The
current voter-apathy is some western societies might be a serious symptom
that a significant segment of the population no longer gives a real damn
about their country. (Hell, it can be argued that some significant number
of corporations don't give a real damn for their country, either, but I
digress.) Of that segment, some tiny deranged portion may harbour real
enmity.

It is not the responsibility of Corporations to "give a real damn for their country".
Their responsibility is to their stockholders... those who have paid money for shares
and expect them to be successful and not to lose money. Only individual citizens are
capable of "giving a damn". It could be argued that those who actually pay taxes in
this country are shareholders in a similar sense.

Some are caught in the 8th grade:

http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=2343204

I expect that many are not.

"kontiki" wrote in message
...
Icebound wrote:
The
current voter-apathy is some western societies might be a serious
symptom
that a significant segment of the population no longer gives a real damn
about their country. (Hell, it can be argued that some significant
number
of corporations don't give a real damn for their country, either, but I
digress.) Of that segment, some tiny deranged portion may harbour real
enmity.

It is not the responsibility of Corporations to "give a real damn for
their country".
Their responsibility is to their stockholders... those who have paid money
for shares
and expect them to be successful and not to lose money. Only individual
citizens are
capable of "giving a damn". It could be argued that those who actually pay
taxes in
this country are shareholders in a similar sense.


The "corporations" reference was a self-admitted digression, but since you
chose to address it:

I would argue that it is very much the responsibility of Corporations to
"give a real damn for their country".

The Nation provides the corporation with workers and with the mechanisms for
raising capital. The Nation's security and police forces provide a
civilized background against which the Corporation can do its business with
some semblance of safety, security, and reasonable expectation of
longevity.... not only to its entity, but to its people, its material, and
its capital. The Nation's network of laws provide displute-settlement
mechanisms to help ensure that the Corporation will not be cheated, and that
help it carry out business in a level playing field. In many cases, the
Corporation has received preferential tax treatment to locate plants in a
particular location to assist local economy.

I would argue that it is very much the responsibility of Corporations to
"give a real damn for their country".

The Nation provides the corporation with workers and with the mechanisms
for
raising capital. The Nation's security and police forces provide a
civilized background against which the Corporation can do its business
with
some semblance of safety, security, and reasonable expectation of
longevity.... not only to its entity, but to its people, its material, and
its capital. The Nation's network of laws provide displute-settlement
mechanisms to help ensure that the Corporation will not be cheated, and
that
help it carry out business in a level playing field. In many cases, the
Corporation has received preferential tax treatment to locate plants in a
particular location to assist local economy.

I would argue that it is very much the responsibility of Corporations to
"give a real damn for their country".

Where your logic goes awry is when you forget the very simple fact that
Corporations are made up of citizens, just like you and me.

This fact -- so often ignored by the ignorant youth of our nation -- is the
utter downfall of the Left's anti-business/anti-corporation ideology.
Somehow, some way, the Left trash talks "multi-national corporations" and
"big corporations" as if they were messengers of evil, when, in fact,
corporations represent the ultimate, perfect expression of communal
ownership of capital.

In short, they represent everything the Left supposedly stands for...

This bitter irony never fails to make me laugh out loud whenever I see the
violent, left-wing protesters outside the World Trade Organizations
meetings...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:9q35d.254072$Fg5.250970@attbi_s53...
The Nation provides the corporation with workers and with the mechanisms
for
raising capital. The Nation's security and police forces provide a
civilized background against which the Corporation can do its business
with
some semblance of safety, security, and reasonable expectation of
longevity.... not only to its entity, but to its people, its material,
and
its capital. The Nation's network of laws provide displute-settlement
mechanisms to help ensure that the Corporation will not be cheated, and
that
help it carry out business in a level playing field. In many cases, the
Corporation has received preferential tax treatment to locate plants in
a
particular location to assist local economy.

I would argue that it is very much the responsibility of Corporations to
"give a real damn for their country".

Where your logic goes awry is when you forget the very simple fact that
Corporations are made up of citizens, just like you and me.



So how is the logic awry? If corporations are made up of citizens like you
and me, is it not a responsibility of those citizens to "give a real damn
for their country", given all that the country provides to the
corporation????

So how is the logic awry? If corporations are made up of citizens like
you
and me, is it not a responsibility of those citizens to "give a real damn
for their country", given all that the country provides to the
corporation????

Of course!

But it is the PEOPLE who do this, not "the corporation" -- which is simply
an aggregate of the whole.

Demonizing corporations is popular, but terribly silly.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:59:49 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

Somehow, some way, the Left trash talks "multi-national corporations" and
"big corporations" as if they were messengers of evil, when, in fact,
corporations represent the ultimate, perfect expression of communal
ownership of capital.

*hehe* :-))
I think I .sig that.

#m

--
The more one is absorbed in fighting Evil,
the less one is tempted to place the Good
in question. (J.P. Sartre)

The Nation provides the corporation with workers and with the
mechanisms for raising capital. The Nation's security and police
forces provide a civilized background against which the Corporation
can do its business with some semblance of safety, security, and
reasonable expectation of longevity.... not only to its entity, but
to its people, its material, and its capital. The Nation's network
of laws provide displute-settlement mechanisms to help ensure that
the Corporation will not be cheated, and that help it carry out
business in a level playing field. In many cases, the Corporation
has received preferential tax treatment to locate plants in a
particular location to assist local economy.

I would argue that it is very much the responsibility of Corporations
to "give a real damn for their country".

Unfortunately, outsourcing has totally invalidated this ideal.