OT - Internet and on-line booking questions for the group

Do you really need a gigantic graphic splash screen? What does it gain
you?

What is "gigantic" about it?
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The amount of screen real estate it takes up.

Jose
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Freedom. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

What is "gigantic" about it?
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The amount of screen real estate it takes up.

Really? I've got the tables set to 80%, which *should* keep the page from
being larger than the screen size.

What screen resolution are you running? On my monitor (set to 1200 x 1600)
my opening page only takes up about 3/4 of the screen.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

What is "gigantic" about it?

The amount of screen real estate it takes up.

Really? I've got the tables set to 80%, which *should* keep the page from
being larger than the screen size.

What screen resolution are you running? On my monitor (set to 1200 x 1600)
my opening page only takes up about 3/4 of the screen.

I have a twenty-one inch screen, I'm running 1600x1200, Windows 98,
Netscape 7.2, and have the web browser set to open in 2/5 of the
screen width. Your graphic hangs off the right side of my screen.

I often run Email, IM, a text editor, calendar, word processor, and a
file browser at the same time and use the screen for these apps too.

It's a pretty picture, but not one that's worth forcing horizontal
scrolling. Maybe one problem is that you have an information bar on
the left. That information bar is the most important element on the
screen, and it is relegated to postage stamp status. You use
font size="2"
all over the place and use a font face that is not very monitor
friendly in the first place. Why so teeny? (base font size is 3,
unless you disregard the user's defaults and force a basefont tag on
the user.) I'd want to see this information larger than base size,
say 4 or 5. Even better is to use a heading type tag.

You are still using javascript on the page, for example:
if(MSFPhover) {
MSFPnav2n=MSFPpreload("_derived/welcome_to_the_inn.htm_cmp_axis110_vbtn.gif");


I have no idea why I'd wanat to preload a .gif file, and in fact I
don't think I do. But the script is there.

While I'm at it, the "welcome to the inn" page also hangs off the
edge. I bet it's the following line and those like it:

table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
style="border-collapse: collapse" width="593" height="60"

You specify an exact width, and I then have to scroll around when it
doesn't fit (rather than have the table itself accomodate me).
Remember, that 593 pixels is added to the navigation bar on the left,
and to everything else on the page.

The "breakfast in your suite" page is better - I can narrow that page
quite a bit and it accomodates me, until I squeeze it past the point
of the navigation bar on the left, and the word "Breakfast" in the
headline. Make the typeface smaller. You specify
style="font-size: 42pt"
which is =awful= design! People have different sized screens, browser
windows, etc, and 42pt might be the whole screen! Use relative sizes
(size=6) or better, descriptor tags ("heading") which let the browser
figure out how to best handle it. HTML is a "markup" language, not a
layout language. "Markup" means you tell the browser what a
particular element =functions= as, (i.e. is it a heading, body text,
quote, sample computer code, etc) and the browser formats it
appropriately, based on the browser's capabilities.

"Long term guests" has the table problem in spades. It demands more
than half my 1600 pixels to display properly (and this is true even if
I reduce the type size in my browser to the point where I have microbe
sized type - it still requires fifty acres of real estate because of
the fixed table size. 725 pixels, plus another 165 pixels for the
navigation bar. That's almost 900 pixels =required= as a minimum!

I may very well want to shrink a window when I compare it with two
other hotels, or have three of your own pages open at once (I'm
comparing two, my wife is reading the third over my shoulder), or want
to post to a newsgroup in the meanwhile. Just imagine doing this on a
laptop with 800 pixels to work with. Feh!

Part of the problem is that you are using FrontPage, which
automatically does everything the Microsoft way and won't tell you.
These fixed widths can be changed to percents or defaults (honor the
user defaults!) but it takes work, and you have to get them all (and
ensure that FrontPage won't "improve" your web page the next time you
update it).

Hope this helps. Horizontal scrolling is a big negative in a web
site, and should be fixed.

Jose
--
Freedom. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Hope this helps. Horizontal scrolling is a big negative in a web site,
and should be fixed.

Thanks for the great input.

Funny thing is, I thought I *had* fixed the horizontal scrolling problem by
setting the table sizes to a percentage (80%) rather than a fixed width.
I'll have to check that out.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:mcStd.466936$wV.221480@attbi_s54...
Hope this helps. Horizontal scrolling is a big negative in a web site,
and should be fixed.

Thanks for the great input.

Funny thing is, I thought I *had* fixed the horizontal scrolling problem
by setting the table sizes to a percentage (80%) rather than a fixed
width. I'll have to check that out.

We had this discussion before. Pictures on your web site negate any other
attempt to format based on window size. The browser has no way to
"line-wrap" a picture...a picture is as wide as it is, and if it's wider
than the browser window, you'll have to scroll horizontally to see it all.

Nothing you do to the formatting elsewhere will change this.

What suite(s) are Playboy using for the Hangar Queen shots? :-)

What suite(s) are Playboy using for the Hangar Queen shots? :-)

Heh. I should be so lucky!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

We had this discussion before. Pictures on your web site negate any other
attempt to format based on window size. The browser has no way to
"line-wrap" a picture...a picture is as wide as it is, and if it's wider
than the browser window, you'll have to scroll horizontally to see it all.

Nothing you do to the formatting elsewhere will change this.

There is no way to make a photo scale to screen size?

That sucks. I thought I had this licked.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:yp8ud.233036$R05.154292@attbi_s53...
There is no way to make a photo scale to screen size?

"No way" might be a little strong. I'm no HTML expert, but I'd guess you
could include some sort of scripting that loads an appropriately sized
bitmap according to the window size. There may even be some script or Java
code you could include that would resize a bitmap on the fly.

But no, as far as I know, you can't resize an image automatically just with
regular HTML.

Pete

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Jay Honeck wrote:

We had this discussion before. Pictures on your web site negate any other
attempt to format based on window size. The browser has no way to
"line-wrap" a picture...a picture is as wide as it is, and if it's wider
than the browser window, you'll have to scroll horizontally to see it all.

Nothing you do to the formatting elsewhere will change this.

There is no way to make a photo scale to screen size?

That sucks. I thought I had this licked.

Setting percentage widths on your tables makes the *tables* scale to
screen size; text will of course re-flow as the table gets narrower/wider.

Fixed width elements - images, generally, or a nested table if you've
specified a width in pixels - won't ever scale, AFAIK, and they can't
flow.

Brian
www.warbard.ca/avgas/index.html