Radio advice - newbie

Cloud flying is not legal in the US or Brazil, unless you're in an IFR
flight plan.

"Arnold Pieper" wrote in message
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Cloud flying is not legal in the US or Brazil, unless you're in an IFR
flight plan.



Not totally correct. In the US you CAN fly IFR without being on an IFR
flight plan and without a clearance, so long as you do it in Class G
airspace.Both aircraft and pilot must meet IFR requirements, however.

Ivan
CFII

Not totally correct. In the US you CAN fly IFR without being on an IFR
flight plan and without a clearance, so long as you do it in Class G
airspace.Both aircraft and pilot must meet IFR requirements, however.

Ivan
CFII

What aircraft IFR requirements are there for gliders?

91.205(a) does not seem to apply (only covers powered
civil aircraft with a standard category U.S.
airworthiness certificate).

91.215 seems to exempt gliders from almost all transponder
requirements even in controlled airspace.

91.205(e) seems to still apply to FL 240+ since it
just says "civil aircraft."

Don't get me wrong: Flying south in a 2-22 in solid IFR at
FL230 using only handheld for ATC and a mag compass
as an attitude indicator, might not
be a great idea.

But as long as the pilot meets 61.57(c)(2) or 61.57(d)
(more likely) it seems generally the aircraft
instrumentation requirements are legally
non-existent for glider IFR below FL240.
And the radio requirements for controlled
airspace 91.183 could be satisfied with a
handheld.

But they may be part of experimental limitations 91.319(d)(2),
or part of the IFR required equipment in the flight manual,
or flight manual limitations against IFR, I suppose...

And if one decides they want to use a transponder in a glider
IFR, it doesn't even seem to need 91.411 (about $100) since it
isn't an airplane or helicopter.
91.413 (about $50) would still apply, I believe.

"Mark James Boyd" wrote in message
news:3fdbd02d$1@darkstar...
Not totally correct. In the US you CAN fly IFR without being on an IFR
flight plan and without a clearance, so long as you do it in Class G
airspace.Both aircraft and pilot must meet IFR requirements, however.

Ivan
CFII

What aircraft IFR requirements are there for gliders?

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You are correct that most FARs speak to airplanes, but even for airplanes
the FARs are not governing for any particular aircraft. Typically, the
flight manual will say if the aircraft can be flown under IFR and if so,
what instruments are required. For example, in the G-102 manual it says that
only VFR flight is permitted while the LS-3 states that "cloud flying" is
permitted.

Ivan

"Arnold Pieper" wrote in message . com...
Cloud flying is not legal in the US or Brazil, unless you're in an IFR
flight plan.

As with most rules it's the exceptions that are worth knowing. In USA
no intrument flight plan is required for flight in instrument
conditions when not in controlled airspace. There is a class G area
near Bagdad, Arizona, that I have been thinking of using for years.
The only thing that stops me is that I would have to remove the gyro
for contest flying and it would leave a nasty hole in the panel. (yes,
I am instument rated in airplanes and current).


Andy (GY)

There is a class G area
near Bagdad, Arizona.

) LOL!

Is there really a place named Baghdad in Arizona, or You're just joking?

Janusz

Its not a joke Janusz

"Janusz Kesik" wrote in message
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There is a class G area
near Bagdad, Arizona.

) LOL!

Is there really a place named Baghdad in Arizona, or You're just joking?

Janusz

"Janusz Kesik" wrote in message ...
There is a class G area
near Bagdad, Arizona.

) LOL!

Is there really a place named Baghdad in Arizona, or You're just joking?

Janusz


Hi Januz,

No joke. Bagdad, not Baghdad, is a small mining town about 80 miles
North West of Phoenix. We use the airport as a contest turnpoint.


Andy

In Polish, Baghdad is written "Bagdad" so it looked funny...

JK