70 kg 31:1 glider is here to stay?

Depends on pocketbook, eh? Some can afford a PW-5 and some ASH25M
Enjoyment of each can be equal.

Bill Daniels wrote:

If I am to joust with the forces of nature over hostile terrain, I want all
the performance I can buy. Mother Nature just won't let you change her
rules.

Bill Daniels

One guy buys a PW5. Another guy buys a Libelle or Std Cirrus, flys
circles around the PW5, and has $10K or so left over to spend on booze
or hookers or whatever. Who has got more enjoyment for his money?

wrote:
One guy buys a PW5. Another guy buys a Libelle or Std Cirrus, flys
circles around the PW5, and has $10K or so left over to spend on booze
or hookers or whatever. Who has got more enjoyment for his money?

Tell me who the pilots are and I'll ask them, then report to you. I
can't possibly guess, and neither can you.

If they land with smiles on their faces, I'm happy!
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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:35:18 UTC, wrote:

: One guy buys a PW5. Another guy buys a Libelle or Std Cirrus, flys
: circles around the PW5, and has $10K or so left over to spend on booze
: or hookers or whatever. Who has got more enjoyment for his money?

I dunno. Why not ask them?

Ian


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Charles,
I'll bet he paid less for the Nimbus he's flying than you could sell him a
PW-5.
A Nimbus won the region 9 sports class this year and the Nimbus isn't that
much harder to rig than a PW-5 (I've done both).
For me, I'm flying a nice Open Jantar that I know I paid less for than even
some of the used PW-5's currently on the market.
It is true that I probably can't land it in as small a field as a PW-5, but
then I can cover a lot more ground when I'm looking for a place to land, and
thus, have more options.
It is my opinion (and not only mine) that the older open class ships
represent some of the best values in soaring machines there are. Most have
nice comfy cockpits that aren't too sensitive to weight, most are fairly
easy to fly, and most of them climb really well and stay up well on weak
days. With the right rigging equipment, they aren't any more trouble to
assemble than your average 15 meter ship.
As for the one design aspect, I raced sailboats for 30 years at a fairly
high level both one design and handicap. I think one design sailboat racing
is a joke because no two are _exactly_ the same and the various class rules
range from ridiculously specific to almost meaningless. Most one design
classes ultimately end up something like the 1-26 class just to get the
participation.

Cheers! (flame suit on)


"Charles Yeates" wrote in message
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Depends on pocketbook, eh? Some can afford a PW-5 and some ASH25M
Enjoyment of each can be equal.

Bill Daniels wrote:

If I am to joust with the forces of nature over hostile terrain, I want
all
the performance I can buy. Mother Nature just won't let you change her
rules.

Bill Daniels

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:00:39 GMT, "Pete Reinhart"
wrote:
.. Most one design
classes ultimately end up something like the 1-26 class just to get the
participation.

Seems to be effective. Maybe there's a point there that everyone is
missing, like "fun"?

Charles Yeates wrote:
Depends on pocketbook, eh? Some can afford a PW-5 and some ASH25M
Enjoyment of each can be equal.


Charles:

This is exactly the case.

I have always thought that the huge increment in the
enjoyment of my life come from when I have wings.

The step I take I go from -0- wings to 20/1 wings is an
infinitely bigger leap than when I go from 20/1 to 40/1.

I look forward to the day when I can introduce my non-winged
friends to flying in a PW-6 or any other aircraft. The
magic occurs when we leave the ground and inhabit the sky.

Pete

Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward, for there you have been, there you long to
return." -- Leonardo da Vinci.

Peter D. Brown
http://home.gci.net/~pdb/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akmtnsoaring/

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Dans l'article , Charles
Yeates a écrit :


Depends on pocketbook, eh? Some can afford a PW-5 and some ASH25M
Enjoyment of each can be equal.


And others like mysef and many members of my club can't afford anything,
or wouldn't have any money for paying for launches after buying a PW-5,
but our club can afford 4 LS4, 2 Pégases, 1 ASW24, 2 Discus, 2 LS6 (17.5
& 18m), so why would we even consider buying a PW-5?

Robert Ehrlich wrote:

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Dans l'article , Charles
Yeates a écrit :



Depends on pocketbook, eh? Some can afford a PW-5 and some ASH25M
Enjoyment of each can be equal.



And others like mysef and many members of my club can't afford anything,
or wouldn't have any money for paying for launches after buying a PW-5,
but our club can afford 4 LS4, 2 Pégases, 1 ASW24, 2 Discus, 2 LS6 (17.5
& 18m), so why would we even consider buying a PW-5?

To compete in the World Class competitions?

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

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Dans l'article , Eric
Greenwell a écrit :


Robert Ehrlich wrote:

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Dans l'article , Charles
Yeates a écrit :



Depends on pocketbook, eh? Some can afford a PW-5 and some ASH25M
Enjoyment of each can be equal.



And others like mysef and many members of my club can't afford anything,
or wouldn't have any money for paying for launches after buying a PW-5,
but our club can afford 4 LS4, 2 Pégases, 1 ASW24, 2 Discus, 2 LS6 (17.5
& 18m), so why would we even consider buying a PW-5?

To compete in the World Class competitions?


This is the only reason for which the 5 PW-5 registered now in France were
bought. No, only 4 of them, one was won as the prize for the 1st World Air
Games. The 2 winners of the 2 first internationnal World Class competitions,
Fred Hoyeau and Julien Henry then reverted to the old FAI classes.

As many of us, I am not a competitor, so this would not be a good reason for
me, maybe I will try some day, but anyway using a club glider, so not in the
World Class.