How long before /G required for IFR?

"Stan Gosnell" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in news:dJIUd.2243
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Moot point. An off-airways clearance beyond usable navaid limits is not
available in a nonradar environment.

Certainly it is. I get it all the time, on almost every flight. Radar,
and
in fact radio communications, doesn't extend to most of my destinations.
And
there are hundreds, often thousands, of flights daily in the Gulf of
Mexico,
many of them IFR. I commonly get 'direct'.

Non-radar routes don't have to be on Airways but "beyond usable navaid
limits" is the operative clause in this case.

Those limits may be the standard ones listed in AIM 1-1-8 or they may be
expanded ones authorized by FAAO 7110.65 4-1-2b.

"KP" nospam@please wrote in
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Non-radar routes don't have to be on Airways but "beyond usable navaid
limits" is the operative clause in this case.

Those limits may be the standard ones listed in AIM 1-1-8 or they may
be expanded ones authorized by FAAO 7110.65 4-1-2b.

We're going well beyond any navaid limits, often as much as 200 NM out.
Radar normally reaches 40 NM, if we're lucky, and rarely as much as 60 or
so. We're going not only past radar coverage, but beyond communications
coverage as well. We rely on remoted company radios to close plans and get
clearances, or else we just take off and contact center whenever we can, if
the weather permits. It's a sad situation.

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Regards,

Stan

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