Glider - Towplane Signals

At 17:30 22 March 2005, Mike The Strike wrote:
In particular, I really wonder if signals to
increase/decrease speed, while useful for winch or
ground launch, are
actually useless in real aerotow situations?

Let's see:
- L-19 ran out out of gas just as we crested the high
point of the runway at
Sugarbush (LS-3 - full water) - I was 2' in he air
he was still on the ground.
No signals possible - except my hand signal after it
was all done.

- Canopy came open just after liftoff on a passenger
hop in a Janus. Didn't
need any signal - latch and go.

- Rope break at 300' over the high-tension lines at
Fremont, CA. I got my
signal all right.

- Three towplane release failures in a row at the beginning
of the roll. I
asked for a new towplane.

- Unable to release due to a non-standard ring. We
handled it by radio so
we could try to drop the line over the field. It's
still somewhere in the
Sonoran desert.

I've tried the speed-up slow-down signals occasionally,
but if I really
needed the speedup, I'm not sure I'd want to be churning
the controls.

I do make a point of knowing the towplane N-number
if at all possible.

9B

I've tried the speed-up slow-down signals occasionally,
but if I really
needed the speedup, I'm not sure I'd want to be churning
the controls.

A few years a go, club member, with full water was being towed too
slowly. The tow plane radio was inop and the last thing he wanted to do
close to stall was to rock his wings.

Tony V.

Tony Verhulst wrote:

I've tried the speed-up slow-down signals occasionally,
but if I really needed the speedup, I'm not sure I'd want to be churning
the controls.


A few years a go, club member, with full water was being towed too
slowly. The tow plane radio was inop and the last thing he wanted to do
close to stall was to rock his wings.

Tony V.


What is the chance that the towpilot would notice the wing rock, anyway?

"Greg Arnold" wrote in message
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Tony Verhulst wrote:

I've tried the speed-up slow-down signals occasionally,
but if I really needed the speedup, I'm not sure I'd want to be churning
the controls.


A few years a go, club member, with full water was being towed too slowly.
The tow plane radio was inop and the last thing he wanted to do close to
stall was to rock his wings.

Tony V.


What is the chance that the towpilot would notice the wing rock, anyway?

I always thought that the wing rock was for "speed up" was not the greatest
choice. Also, I have had mixed results with the "turn" signal, it is usually
not noticed. I find that particularly distressing when the tow pilot insists
on taking me downwind.

As someone else already noted, there is really no reason to not have radio
communications these days.

Vaughn

lets talk about the tow pilots wing rock.. for GET OFF NOW!!!....
as a tow pilot... when you've got your hands full of a sick engine... last
thing I want to be doing is rocking so hard as to be obvious wing rock above
the normal bumps of a thermal or rotor..

he gets one rock... then he's eating rope..

BT

"Vaughn" wrote in message
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"Greg Arnold" wrote in message
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Tony Verhulst wrote:

I've tried the speed-up slow-down signals occasionally,
but if I really needed the speedup, I'm not sure I'd want to be
churning
the controls.


A few years a go, club member, with full water was being towed too
slowly. The tow plane radio was inop and the last thing he wanted to do
close to stall was to rock his wings.

Tony V.


What is the chance that the towpilot would notice the wing rock, anyway?

I always thought that the wing rock was for "speed up" was not the
greatest choice. Also, I have had mixed results with the "turn" signal,
it is usually not noticed. I find that particularly distressing when the
tow pilot insists on taking me downwind.

As someone else already noted, there is really no reason to not have
radio communications these days.

Vaughn

At risk of making myself look daft because I've mis-remembered the
signals, I'm pretty certain that here in the UK rocking the glider's
wings is an indication that you can't release from tow (though it's
actually combined with flying out to the left before giving the signal)
and so by implication, I'd guess, a request that the tug release you at
an appropriate point.

I'll also add that before I go to work on getting cleared for aerotow
(I'm not in any rush - so far I've trained, solo'd and got my bronze on
the winch) I'll make sure I've revised and am certain of the signals.
Although I imagine most of the private gliders at my club have radio,
our training fleet of Ka13's doesn't, so tug and tow are reliant upon
signals as the only form of communication between them.

Bill

BTIZ writes
lets talk about the tow pilots wing rock.. for GET OFF NOW!!!....
as a tow pilot... when you've got your hands full of a sick engine... last
thing I want to be doing is rocking so hard as to be obvious wing rock above
the normal bumps of a thermal or rotor..

he gets one rock... then he's eating rope..

BT

"Vaughn" wrote in message
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"Greg Arnold" wrote in message
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Tony Verhulst wrote:

I've tried the speed-up slow-down signals occasionally,
but if I really needed the speedup, I'm not sure I'd want to be
churning
the controls.


A few years a go, club member, with full water was being towed too
slowly. The tow plane radio was inop and the last thing he wanted to do
close to stall was to rock his wings.

Tony V.


What is the chance that the towpilot would notice the wing rock, anyway?

I always thought that the wing rock was for "speed up" was not the
greatest choice. Also, I have had mixed results with the "turn" signal,
it is usually not noticed. I find that particularly distressing when the
tow pilot insists on taking me downwind.

As someone else already noted, there is really no reason to not have
radio communications these days.

Vaughn




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- Learn from the mistakes of others.
- You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself.

"Bill Gribble" wrote in message
.. .
so tug and tow are reliant upon signals as the only form of communication
between them.

Compared to most other things in aviation, portable radios are cheap.

Vaughn

"Bill Gribble" wrote in
message .. .
At risk of making myself look daft because I've mis-remembered the
signals, I'm pretty certain that here in the UK rocking the glider's wings
is an indication that you can't release from tow (though it's actually
combined with flying out to the left before giving the signal) and so by
implication, I'd guess, a request that the tug release you at an
appropriate point.


the glider wing rock for cannot release is given AFTER the glider has moved
off to one side of the tow plane (normally left for those side by side
seating tow planes)... not when directly behind the tow..

BT

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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he gets one rock... then he's eating rope..

Fair enough! In that situation you do what you gotta do.

Vaughn

BTIZ wrote:
lets talk about the tow pilots wing rock.. for GET OFF NOW!!!....
as a tow pilot... when you've got your hands full of a sick engine... last
thing I want to be doing is rocking so hard as to be obvious wing rock above
the normal bumps of a thermal or rotor..

he gets one rock... then he's eating rope..

No kidding! If he doesn't notice the smoke/oil/loss of climb by then,
let him go.

Shawn