Greatest Number of Traps

"Red Rider" wrote:


"Peter Stickney" wrote in message
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Ogden Johnson III writes:

[Does anybody in the US military still get paid with checks [much
less {gasp!!!!!!} cash] nowadays, or has DoD gone mandatory
direct deposit? Saw on a recent cable show on carriers that all
their crew's cash comes out of an ATM.]

Funny that you should bring that up... I've just been working on a
piece of that, actually. It's more than just ATMs - Some ships are
part of NavyCash, which reduces the demand for hard money by
substituting programmable "Smart Cards" for geedunks & stamps & Mess
Dues and such. You can transfer funds from your Ship's Account, using
something like an ATM, and use the card in the Coke Machines & such.
The accounting for the DISBOs is a lot easier, and so are the
logistics. It seems that when they empty the cash boxes in the Coke
Machines every month, they're hauling about 1,000# of quarters around
the ship. (For a CV or LPH-sized ship). So, anyway, the effort is
there to eliminate hard cash on ships. (The cards can also be used as
Debit Cards ashore).

--
Pete Stickney

Without data, all you have are opinions

Is there anyone (other than Vincent P. Norris) that remembers being paid in
cash every other Friday?

As far as the greatest number of traps, I wonder who had the most combat
traps? For the life of me (getting old I guess) I can't remember the name of
the A-4 jock from Vietnam era who had something like 750 "green ink" entries
in his log book. Heck I think he retired as an admiral too.

Red Rider

Well yes, I certainly do...I remember that they'd set up ropes on
stanchions leading up to a table set out on the hangar floor
where the 'Paymaster' (usually a captain) sat with his helpers
(two or three airmen, corporals usually) with ledgers etc, and a
couple of Military Police overlooking all and sundry.

We'd march smartly the last few feet, salute, state our name rank
and serial number, be presented with our stipend (in cash of
course) sign for it, salute and bog off smartly. T'was called
'Pay Parade' and everyone loved it. Been a long time I must
admit...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Gord Beaman wrote:

Well yes, I certainly do...I remember that they'd set up ropes on
stanchions leading up to a table set out on the hangar floor
where the 'Paymaster' (usually a captain) sat with his helpers
(two or three airmen, corporals usually) with ledgers etc, and a
couple of Military Police overlooking all and sundry.

We'd march smartly the last few feet, salute, state our name rank
and serial number, be presented with our stipend (in cash of
course) sign for it, salute and bog off smartly. T'was called
'Pay Parade' and everyone loved it. Been a long time I must
admit...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Can't forget a Navy variation of this. Sitting at the table in the
middle were the corpsmen. After getting the flu shot you got your pay!

"Jim" wrote in message
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Gord Beaman wrote:

Well yes, I certainly do...I remember that they'd set up ropes on
stanchions leading up to a table set out on the hangar floor
where the 'Paymaster' (usually a captain) sat with his helpers
(two or three airmen, corporals usually) with ledgers etc, and a
couple of Military Police overlooking all and sundry. We'd march smartly
the last few feet, salute, state our name rank
and serial number, be presented with our stipend (in cash of
course) sign for it, salute and bog off smartly. T'was called
'Pay Parade' and everyone loved it. Been a long time I must
admit...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Can't forget a Navy variation of this. Sitting at the table in the middle
were the corpsmen. After getting the flu shot you got your pay!

And just around the corner in the passageway, the loan sharks and gamblers
collecting from their victims.

Bob McKellar, actual former disbursing officer from the days of cash

"Bob McKellar" wrote in
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"Jim" wrote in message
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Gord Beaman wrote:

Well yes, I certainly do...I remember that they'd set up ropes on
stanchions leading up to a table set out on the hangar floor
where the 'Paymaster' (usually a captain) sat with his helpers
(two or three airmen, corporals usually) with ledgers etc, and a
couple of Military Police overlooking all and sundry. We'd march
smartly the last few feet, salute, state our name rank
and serial number, be presented with our stipend (in cash of
course) sign for it, salute and bog off smartly. T'was called
'Pay Parade' and everyone loved it. Been a long time I must
admit...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Can't forget a Navy variation of this. Sitting at the table in the
middle were the corpsmen. After getting the flu shot you got your
pay!

And just around the corner in the passageway, the loan sharks and
gamblers collecting from their victims.

Bob McKellar, actual former disbursing officer from the days of cash

Got to be a pay guard for cash paydays in Japan in the mid-70s. One time
the pay officer told me I didn't need to put the clip in the '45, and I
told him he needed to find a new pay guard.

Dave in San Diego

Dave in San Diego wrote:
"Bob McKellar" wrote in
:


"Jim" wrote in message
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Gord Beaman wrote:

Well yes, I certainly do...I remember that they'd set up ropes on
stanchions leading up to a table set out on the hangar floor
where the 'Paymaster' (usually a captain) sat with his helpers
(two or three airmen, corporals usually) with ledgers etc, and a
couple of Military Police overlooking all and sundry. We'd march
smartly the last few feet, salute, state our name rank
and serial number, be presented with our stipend (in cash of
course) sign for it, salute and bog off smartly. T'was called
'Pay Parade' and everyone loved it. Been a long time I must
admit...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Can't forget a Navy variation of this. Sitting at the table in the
middle were the corpsmen. After getting the flu shot you got your
pay!


And just around the corner in the passageway, the loan sharks and
gamblers collecting from their victims.

Bob McKellar, actual former disbursing officer from the days of cash


Got to be a pay guard for cash paydays in Japan in the mid-70s. One time
the pay officer told me I didn't need to put the clip in the '45, and I
told him he needed to find a new pay guard.

Dave in San Diego

Don't tell me I'm the only one old enough to remember short-arm
inspections every payday. Also, learning to salute and request
permission to leave the ship while displaying ID card, liberty card, bar
of hotel soap and pack of rubbers to indicate readiness to go ashore.

Rick

Yofuri wrote:

Dave in San Diego wrote:
"Bob McKellar" wrote in
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"Jim" wrote in message
...

Gord Beaman wrote:

Well yes, I certainly do...I remember that they'd set up ropes on
stanchions leading up to a table set out on the hangar floor
where the 'Paymaster' (usually a captain) sat with his helpers
(two or three airmen, corporals usually) with ledgers etc, and a
couple of Military Police overlooking all and sundry. We'd march
smartly the last few feet, salute, state our name rank
and serial number, be presented with our stipend (in cash of
course) sign for it, salute and bog off smartly. T'was called
'Pay Parade' and everyone loved it. Been a long time I must
admit...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Can't forget a Navy variation of this. Sitting at the table in the
middle were the corpsmen. After getting the flu shot you got your
pay!


And just around the corner in the passageway, the loan sharks and
gamblers collecting from their victims.

Bob McKellar, actual former disbursing officer from the days of cash


Got to be a pay guard for cash paydays in Japan in the mid-70s. One time
the pay officer told me I didn't need to put the clip in the '45, and I
told him he needed to find a new pay guard.

Dave in San Diego

Don't tell me I'm the only one old enough to remember short-arm
inspections every payday. Also, learning to salute and request
permission to leave the ship while displaying ID card, liberty card, bar
of hotel soap and pack of rubbers to indicate readiness to go ashore.

Rick

You poor buggers...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Gord Beaman wrote:

Well yes, I certainly do...I remember that they'd set up ropes on
stanchions leading up to a table set out on the hangar floor
where the 'Paymaster' (usually a captain) sat with his helpers
(two or three airmen, corporals usually) with ledgers etc, and a
couple of Military Police overlooking all and sundry.

We'd march smartly the last few feet, salute, state our name rank
and serial number, be presented with our stipend (in cash of
course) sign for it, salute and bog off smartly. T'was called
'Pay Parade' and everyone loved it. Been a long time I must
admit...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Can't forget a Navy variation of this. Sitting at the table in the
middle were the corpsmen. After getting the flu shot you got your pay!


You forgot about the guy selling Navy Relief Tickets, or the one collecting
for United Way or something else.

For something different. In late 65 I won an award of a ground tour (6mo's
training and 12 mo's in Vietnam) with the Marines in ANGLCO
(AirNavalGunfireLiaisonCompany). While training at Camp Lejeune NC, I
noticed something unique about their way of conducting a pay day. Of course
they had the standard pay officer, also the corpsman checking shot records,
pay guard, etc. but the 1st Sgt. was seated next to the pay officer.
Everytime a man that had a fine from NJP (Marines call it Office Hours) the
1st Sgt would announce the amount of the fine in a loud voice. The pay
officer would loudly count out the money to the Marine. Then the Marine had
to pay the fine to the 1st Sgt, who would then announce again in a loud
voice that he had received a payment of $XXX from "so-in-so". And that this
was whatever payment of whatever total fine that "so-in-so" had received for
his crime which was __________! But it wasn't over. The 1st Sgt would then
turn to the pay officer and announce that he had collected the fine for etc.
from "so-in-so" for doing "whatever" and would then announce that this was
payment X of X payments etc. Then the pay officer would tell the 1st Sgt
that on behalf of the Marine Corps, the Dept of the Navy, the Sec of
Defense, the President, and the people of the United States of America etc.
that he accepted payment X of X payments for the crime of X committed by
'so-in-so.

Everyone enjoyed the show, except the individual paying the fine.

Red

"Red Rider" wrote:

(AirNavalGunfireLiaisonCompany). While training at Camp Lejeune NC, I
noticed something unique about their way of conducting a pay day. Of course
they had the standard pay officer, also the corpsman checking shot records,
pay guard, etc. but the 1st Sgt. was seated next to the pay officer.
Everytime a man that had a fine from NJP (Marines call it Office Hours) the
1st Sgt would announce the amount of the fine in a loud voice. The pay
officer would loudly count out the money to the Marine. Then the Marine had
to pay the fine to the 1st Sgt, who would then announce again in a loud
voice that he had received a payment of $XXX from "so-in-so". And that this
was whatever payment of whatever total fine that "so-in-so" had received for
his crime which was __________! But it wasn't over. The 1st Sgt would then
turn to the pay officer and announce that he had collected the fine for etc.
from "so-in-so" for doing "whatever" and would then announce that this was
payment X of X payments etc. Then the pay officer would tell the 1st Sgt
that on behalf of the Marine Corps, the Dept of the Navy, the Sec of
Defense, the President, and the people of the United States of America etc.
that he accepted payment X of X payments for the crime of X committed by
'so-in-so.

Everyone enjoyed the show, except the individual paying the fine.

Wasn't a USMC-wide practice, nor, as of 1961 - 1962, a CLNC or
2dMarDiv-wide practice. OTOH, there was nothing in those days
precluding a CO, company, battalion, or even regimental, from
establishing such a practice. Dunno who was training you
[2ndANGLICO?], but it doesn't surprise me. Every unit I was ever
in did different things as "standard" on cash pay days. Some,
such as the periodic shot-card checks, Navy Relief/CFC
"encouragements", carried over to the check era. Periodically,
instead of your Platoon Sergeant or Shop NCOIC in aviation
handing you your paycheck on the 5th/20th, the whole unit would
muster along with a battery of corpsmen, your health/shot records
at their side, ready to administer anything up to and including
GOK what. Or to be lectured by the poor SLJO stuck with running
the CFC campaign.
--
OJ III
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]

OJ,

This turn of thread reminds me of what Gunny Martin told all of us
Midshipmen before we left our NROTC unit for summer cruise.

There are three documents your must NEVER, under any circumstances, let out
of your sight or secure possession until you reach your next duty station:

* Your pay record.
* Your shot card.
* Your Shellback certificate (if you had one).

--
Mike Kanze

"You're never too old to become younger."

- Mae West


"Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message
...
"Red Rider" wrote:

(AirNavalGunfireLiaisonCompany). While training at Camp Lejeune NC, I
noticed something unique about their way of conducting a pay day. Of
course
they had the standard pay officer, also the corpsman checking shot
records,
pay guard, etc. but the 1st Sgt. was seated next to the pay officer.
Everytime a man that had a fine from NJP (Marines call it Office Hours)
the
1st Sgt would announce the amount of the fine in a loud voice. The pay
officer would loudly count out the money to the Marine. Then the Marine
had
to pay the fine to the 1st Sgt, who would then announce again in a loud
voice that he had received a payment of $XXX from "so-in-so". And that
this
was whatever payment of whatever total fine that "so-in-so" had received
for
his crime which was __________! But it wasn't over. The 1st Sgt would then
turn to the pay officer and announce that he had collected the fine for
etc.
from "so-in-so" for doing "whatever" and would then announce that this
was
payment X of X payments etc. Then the pay officer would tell the 1st Sgt
that on behalf of the Marine Corps, the Dept of the Navy, the Sec of
Defense, the President, and the people of the United States of America
etc.
that he accepted payment X of X payments for the crime of X committed by
'so-in-so.

Everyone enjoyed the show, except the individual paying the fine.

Wasn't a USMC-wide practice, nor, as of 1961 - 1962, a CLNC or
2dMarDiv-wide practice. OTOH, there was nothing in those days
precluding a CO, company, battalion, or even regimental, from
establishing such a practice. Dunno who was training you
[2ndANGLICO?], but it doesn't surprise me. Every unit I was ever
in did different things as "standard" on cash pay days. Some,
such as the periodic shot-card checks, Navy Relief/CFC
"encouragements", carried over to the check era. Periodically,
instead of your Platoon Sergeant or Shop NCOIC in aviation
handing you your paycheck on the 5th/20th, the whole unit would
muster along with a battery of corpsmen, your health/shot records
at their side, ready to administer anything up to and including
GOK what. Or to be lectured by the poor SLJO stuck with running
the CFC campaign.
--
OJ III
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]

Mike Kanze wrote:
OJ,

This turn of thread reminds me of what Gunny Martin told all of us
Midshipmen before we left our NROTC unit for summer cruise.

There are three documents your must NEVER, under any circumstances, let out
of your sight or secure possession until you reach your next duty station:


* Your Shellback certificate (if you had one).*

How many can equate to this? My second crossing was in many ways worse
than the first. Unlike the polliwogs I spent hours on the flight deck.
My sunburn lasted longer than their welts.