Oshkosh gate admission on Sunday 24th?

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got
golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run up
our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy cars"
driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week
can't peddle a bike to save our feet?

Jay,

I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite
the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s
for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the
road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure
during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to
weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them.

David Odum - email: David at AirplaneZone dot com

David Odum wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote:


What are the reasons that bikes aren't allowed on the grounds? We've got
golf carts trying to kill us all day long, 7-car-trams threatening to run up
our heels, parents pulling wagons or pushing strollers, and "courtesy cars"
driving every which way -- but those of us who live in the North 40 all week
can't peddle a bike to save our feet?


Jay,

I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite
the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s
for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the
road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure
during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to
weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them.

David Odum - email: David at AirplaneZone dot com



I can't believe it would be that hard to set up a bike path or two. For
that matter, they should separate the golf carts and other conveyances
from the foot traffic. This isn't rocket science to figure out and not
that hard to implement.


Matt

I think that the Airventure policy regarding bikes during the show is
well considered and correct. It's not that I'm not anti-bike. Quite
the contrary, I love cycling. I raced bikes full time in the mid 70s
for four years straight and have more than 50,000 bike miles on the
road to date. Unfortunately, if bikes were allowed at Airventure
during the show there would be far too many people on bikes trying to
weave in and around the foot traffic, and I'd be one of them.

Well, I hear you. But I sure wish there were some bike paths that we could
use so that getting from my tent in the North 40 to the ultralight area in
the South 40 wasn't a 30-minute (or more) hike.

By the end of the week, none of us can bear the thought of walking down that
far anymore, so we end up skipping huge portions of the show that I'd really
like to see in greater detail.

It seems like a couple of "bikes/scooters only" paths, with parking areas at
either end, would do the trick?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I agree 100%! that's one of the most irratating policies the EAA has.
The distances to cover on the OSH grounds are huge. And the crowd that
attends is not getting any younger. Bikes need to be allowed and soon.
Not only do you have to walk great distances, usually you're carrying
a bunch of stuff that makes it all the more harder. Motorized bikes
should be allowed also. Like those Bumble bee bike motors sold at the
convention. I've been to other non-EAA fly-ins, and being able to use
my Dahon folding bike is wonderful. And when the only users with them
are the persons bringing folding bikes in their planes, there aren't
that many of them anyway. We've got too many old ladys controlling
EAA, that all they talk about is over conservatisim ad infinitum. I
say the heck with 'em, I'm tired of walking my ass off at the fly-in.
My back isn't what it used to be, and flying my plane there is the
easy part. Covering the grounds is another matter. Years ago, when
FAA administrator Jim Busey attended the Oshkosh convention, he
remarked that the crowd was big, but old. Well, we're even older now!
And what about when we can't walk so far? is it a wonder that
admissions are off at the fly-ins? look at Sun n Fun. The EAA needs
to get their heads out of their a__es and realize this. Quit worrying
about a harmless bicycle hitting some person or plane. There are a lot
worse dangers at a fly-in, like propellers. Danger of fire with all
the fueled planes, winds blowing aircraft around. I can't believe
with dangers like that, they worry about a bicycle. But that's what we
end up with when the EAA has all the proxy votes and has virtual
control of the whole smash, instead of the members, as they should.
Don't sign that proxy vote over to them! Maybe then, we could vote in
bicycles, and who knows what else.

Well, I hear you. But I sure wish there were some bike paths that we could
use so that getting from my tent in the North 40 to the ultralight area in
the South 40 wasn't a 30-minute (or more) hike.

By the end of the week, none of us can bear the thought of walking down that
far anymore, so we end up skipping huge portions of the show that I'd really
like to see in greater detail.

It seems like a couple of "bikes/scooters only" paths, with parking areas at
either end, would do the trick?

Joe Camp wrote:

I agree 100%! that's one of the most irratating policies the EAA has.
The distances to cover on the OSH grounds are huge. And the crowd that
attends is not getting any younger. Bikes need to be allowed and soon.
Not only do you have to walk great distances, usually you're carrying
a bunch of stuff that makes it all the more harder. Motorized bikes
should be allowed also. Like those Bumble bee bike motors sold at the
convention. I've been to other non-EAA fly-ins, and being able to use
my Dahon folding bike is wonderful. And when the only users with them
are the persons bringing folding bikes in their planes, there aren't
that many of them anyway. We've got too many old ladys controlling
EAA, that all they talk about is over conservatisim ad infinitum. I
say the heck with 'em, I'm tired of walking my ass off at the fly-in.
My back isn't what it used to be, and flying my plane there is the
easy part. Covering the grounds is another matter. Years ago, when
FAA administrator Jim Busey attended the Oshkosh convention, he
remarked that the crowd was big, but old. Well, we're even older now!
And what about when we can't walk so far? is it a wonder that
admissions are off at the fly-ins? look at Sun n Fun. The EAA needs
to get their heads out of their a__es and realize this. Quit worrying
about a harmless bicycle hitting some person or plane. There are a lot
worse dangers at a fly-in, like propellers. Danger of fire with all
the fueled planes, winds blowing aircraft around. I can't believe
with dangers like that, they worry about a bicycle. But that's what we
end up with when the EAA has all the proxy votes and has virtual
control of the whole smash, instead of the members, as they should.
Don't sign that proxy vote over to them! Maybe then, we could vote in
bicycles, and who knows what else.


EAA I'm sure recosnizes the aging of its members. that is the primary
reason for the sport pilot ruling they pushed hard to get.

EAA is on the skids as any membership chairman can tell you when the
average age of the members keeps creeping higher and higher, year after
year.

They need a program that will get kids back into something other than TV
and CDs,,,,,,,,

The ultralight movement helped, but the recent onus of sport pilot
pushed that all back.

--
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620
1-812-838-6351
http://www.trikite.com

The ultralight movement helped, but the recent onus of sport pilot
pushed that all back.

--
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620
1-812-838-6351
http://www.trikite.com


I find that to be alittle strange, at the EAA chapter here there are alot of
the ultralight crowd, a few builders and restorers, and the only person
there under the age of 55 is me,.....the lone sport pilot. A few of the guys
are getting ready for the time when they will need the sport pilot rules.
Dang Mark, the only person I see that is going back because of sport pilot
is you!
I really wonder why that is? Can you not get a pilot cert for some
reason? Not trying to offend you but just wonder why you seem so deadset
against something that is helping someone like myself so much? From what I
see that has pushed the EAA back is the going from actually building an
airplane , to buying a 40 Grand kit. And the biggest reason, is the EAA has
to find a way to get younger people involved.
So please , find some young folks and train them in your fat ultralights
and make them sport pilots!!! Are you against making money? I would think
any biz , especially in aviation would be happy as a bug in a rug to have
another way to make a dollar! Are you just ****ed because you will have to
get the fat ultralights N numbered? I just do not understand your contempt.
Reminds me of listening to Ted Kennedy spewing his rants and never a good
word to say about anything.
Heck you can still fly your "weedwackers" around, and I get the
opportunity to fly an airplane. We should both be happy!
Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

W P Dixon wrote:


The ultralight movement helped, but the recent onus of sport pilot
pushed that all back.

--
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620
1-812-838-6351
http://www.trikite.com


I find that to be alittle strange, at the EAA chapter here there are alot of
the ultralight crowd, a few builders and restorers, and the only person
there under the age of 55 is me,.....the lone sport pilot. A few of the guys
are getting ready for the time when they will need the sport pilot rules.
Dang Mark, the only person I see that is going back because of sport pilot
is you!
I really wonder why that is? Can you not get a pilot cert for some
reason? Not trying to offend you but just wonder why you seem so deadset
against something that is helping someone like myself so much? From what I
see that has pushed the EAA back is the going from actually building an
airplane , to buying a 40 Grand kit. And the biggest reason, is the EAA has
to find a way to get younger people involved.
So please , find some young folks and train them in your fat ultralights
and make them sport pilots!!! Are you against making money? I would think
any biz , especially in aviation would be happy as a bug in a rug to have
another way to make a dollar! Are you just ****ed because you will have to
get the fat ultralights N numbered? I just do not understand your contempt.
Reminds me of listening to Ted Kennedy spewing his rants and never a good
word to say about anything.
Heck you can still fly your "weedwackers" around, and I get the
opportunity to fly an airplane. We should both be happy!
Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


Weedwackers eh ?

Sounds like you need an ultralight ride bad !

I like the open, don't care for cross countries, could own most any
plane i wanted, but I like the quicksilver clones i personally build
from scratch,,,,,,,,,

I do enjoy instructing but find the FnAA programs to not produce the
quality of pilot my own haphazzard methods produce.

Not sure, but you've agreed with several of my points,,,,,,,,,

stop by my place for some fun, and if you keep a straight face when we
get back, it's free,,,,,,,,,

and BTW, I don't make my money giving ul lessons at 55 an hour,,,,,,,,
--
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620
1-812-838-6351
http://www.trikite.com

Cool!
Hey I am more then willing to try just about anything once,...even had to
fly on a CH-53D when I was in the Corps....somewhere there should be a law
about helos folding !!!!!
I refer to the "weedwacker" as such, not because I don't think it would
be fun, just that is what the sound reminds me of when one flies by...the
old two stroke thing Who knows, with all the travels I am doing to get
this sport pilot thing done, I may just end up your way one day! Just got
back from Waynesville , Ohio about 5pm.
As more and more people find out about sport pilot, that is the biggest
problem...the general public does not know of it's existance! Instructors
need to advertise! I can't tell you all the emails I get from people asking
about where can they go fly? Who is training sport pilots? Interest is out
there,..just not many places are opening their doors yet. Those that have
are doing very well, from what I can see.
Not saying the training is where your money making is all at. but think
of the money to be made with sport pilot type planes? Maybe build some of
those J3 kittens and such? I don't see myself buying an ultralight, but I
may consider the J3 kitten because it looks like an airplane
The Champ I flew on Saturday I waited for a month to get it booked for me,
just a grass field airport and the Cub and Champ barely got re-fueled and
were off again!!
No tower, no radio just good old grass field flying, and the parking lot was
full of cars. Don't see that at the county airport where I live

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech



Weedwackers eh ?

Sounds like you need an ultralight ride bad !

I like the open, don't care for cross countries, could own most any
plane i wanted, but I like the quicksilver clones i personally build
from scratch,,,,,,,,,

I do enjoy instructing but find the FnAA programs to not produce the
quality of pilot my own haphazzard methods produce.

Not sure, but you've agreed with several of my points,,,,,,,,,

stop by my place for some fun, and if you keep a straight face when we
get back, it's free,,,,,,,,,

and BTW, I don't make my money giving ul lessons at 55 an hour,,,,,,,,
--
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620
1-812-838-6351
http://www.trikite.com

It isn't the oldsters on bikes that would be the problem. It is the
controlled, unsupervised children.

Ever see a "gator" do a wheelie? I have in the hands of a teenager that was
supposed to be working. They do supply trams that one can ride from one end
to the other.

Another solution is to volunteer in a job that uses motorbikes or gators.
--
Cy Galley - Chair,
AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot


"Joe Camp" wrote in message
...
I agree 100%! that's one of the most irratating policies the EAA has.
The distances to cover on the OSH grounds are huge. And the crowd that
attends is not getting any younger. Bikes need to be allowed and soon.
Not only do you have to walk great distances, usually you're carrying
a bunch of stuff that makes it all the more harder. Motorized bikes
should be allowed also. Like those Bumble bee bike motors sold at the
convention. I've been to other non-EAA fly-ins, and being able to use
my Dahon folding bike is wonderful. And when the only users with them
are the persons bringing folding bikes in their planes, there aren't
that many of them anyway. We've got too many old ladys controlling
EAA, that all they talk about is over conservatisim ad infinitum. I
say the heck with 'em, I'm tired of walking my ass off at the fly-in.
My back isn't what it used to be, and flying my plane there is the
easy part. Covering the grounds is another matter. Years ago, when
FAA administrator Jim Busey attended the Oshkosh convention, he
remarked that the crowd was big, but old. Well, we're even older now!
And what about when we can't walk so far? is it a wonder that
admissions are off at the fly-ins? look at Sun n Fun. The EAA needs
to get their heads out of their a__es and realize this. Quit worrying
about a harmless bicycle hitting some person or plane. There are a lot
worse dangers at a fly-in, like propellers. Danger of fire with all
the fueled planes, winds blowing aircraft around. I can't believe
with dangers like that, they worry about a bicycle. But that's what we
end up with when the EAA has all the proxy votes and has virtual
control of the whole smash, instead of the members, as they should.
Don't sign that proxy vote over to them! Maybe then, we could vote in
bicycles, and who knows what else.

Well, I hear you. But I sure wish there were some bike paths that we
could
use so that getting from my tent in the North 40 to the ultralight area in
the South 40 wasn't a 30-minute (or more) hike.

By the end of the week, none of us can bear the thought of walking down
that
far anymore, so we end up skipping huge portions of the show that I'd
really
like to see in greater detail.

It seems like a couple of "bikes/scooters only" paths, with parking areas
at
either end, would do the trick?

I know flight line safety is one of the ones that has scooters for the
volunteers that actually go on the fight line, and flight line ops has a
few scooters for "follow me" type duties, but which jobs let you drive a
gator?

John