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Old August 17th 05, 12:38 PM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Morgans" wrote in message
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I don't see why you would think that.


Logic causes me to think that.



Ever been rear ended, sitting at a stop light, or such? (in a car, of
course)

I have been, and a very hard hit, about 45 mph. When ever I stop now, I
look in my mirror, and if I see that somone is not going to stop, I am
ready to take evasive action, like going off the side of the road, or into
another lane.

It may not work, but I'm sure going to try and avoid that, if I can.

Same thing for sitting sideways, to get a view of the glideslope. If
someone is coming in, and I saw them, I could try to get to the side of
the runway, or back to the taxiway, or into the ditch. At least you would
have a fighting chance to avoid a catastrophe.


Why can't the incoming pilot see you and go around?



Sitting straight, some planes couldn't see squat, so there is a *good*
reason
for the sideways trick. It couldn't take more than 3 or 4 seconds to get
straight
in the first part of your takeoff roll.


How long it takes depends on the airplane. "Position and Hold" means "taxi
onto the departure runway in takeoff position and hold." If you hold in a
position that requires additional ground maneuvering before beginning your
takeoff roll you have not complied with the instruction.


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Old August 17th 05, 02:12 PM
Morgans
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You're arguing for the sake of the argument. I quit.
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Old August 17th 05, 01:51 PM
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If you hold in a
position that requires additional ground maneuvering before beginning your
takeoff roll you have not complied with the instruction.


However if you can begin your takeoff roll from the position in which
you have stopped, and straighten out =on= your takeoff roll, you have
complied with the instruction.

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Old August 18th 05, 03:51 AM
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In article et,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Why can't the incoming pilot see you and go around?


Is the threshold always visible to the pilot for all aircraft when
in normal landing configuration?

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Old August 18th 05, 04:50 AM
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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Is the threshold always visible to the pilot for all aircraft when
in normal landing configuration?


In conditions where a pilot in position could see an approaching aircraft,
except for very short final, yes.


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Old August 18th 05, 11:48 AM
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In article et,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Is the threshold always visible to the pilot for all aircraft when
in normal landing configuration?


In conditions where a pilot in position could see an approaching aircraft,
except for very short final, yes.


Then why did one airliner land on top of a commuter (iirc) a number of years ago?

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Old August 18th 05, 11:51 AM
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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Then why did one airliner land on top of a commuter (iirc) a number of
years ago?


Were the conditions such that a pilot in position could see an approaching
aircraft?


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Old August 18th 05, 12:03 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Then why did one airliner land on top of a commuter (iirc) a number of
years ago?


Were the conditions such that a pilot in position could see an approaching
aircraft?


My understanding is that the airport was VFR at at the time.

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Old August 18th 05, 12:22 PM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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My understanding is that the airport was VFR at at the time.


Let me know when you're sure.


 




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