Iced up Cirrus descends by BRS

Ron Lee wrote:

And the reports seem to glorify the BRS yet nothing is mentioned of
why the pilot entered icing conditions and if that should have been
anticipated.

I am curious about the TKS system. Was the accident Cirrus equipped with a
TKS anti-ice system, as the SR22 models are these days?

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Peter

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Ron Lee wrote:

Wallace Berry wrote:


Friday, an iced up Cirrus came down under BRS. Just a bit northwest of
where I live here in Alabama. According to the newspaper, it took off out
of Birmingham and iced up climbing through clouds, stalled, and the pilot
popped the BRS. Came down in a tree. Pilot and passengers uninjured.


And the reports seem to glorify the BRS yet nothing is mentioned of
why the pilot entered icing conditions and if that should have been
anticipated.

Yes, it'll be fun to see the stats after a few more years of experience.
I'm still betting that the BRS system encourages more risk taking and I'll
bet that this will, in the end, overcome any safety advantage from the
chute and cause the overall safety record of the Cirrus to be as bad, or
even worse, than similar non-chute aircraft.

And for this you carry around extra weight, pay more money and have an
explosive device always onboard!

Matt


I would say an aircraft of similar build without a chute is the
Columbia/Lancair factory built planes. Comparing their safety records in 5
years should give a better indication if the chute makes a difference.

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DW

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:

I would say an aircraft of similar build without a chute is the
Columbia/Lancair factory built planes. Comparing their safety records in 5
years should give a better indication if the chute makes a difference.

Ultimately I bet pilot issues will be the main factor.

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:
"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:


I would say an aircraft of similar build without a chute is the
Columbia/Lancair factory built planes. Comparing their safety records in 5
years should give a better indication if the chute makes a difference.


Ultimately I bet pilot issues will be the main factor.

I agree. The question in my mind is will the presence of the BRS affect
the pilot's judgement.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in
news
Ron Lee wrote:
"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:


I would say an aircraft of similar build without a chute is the
Columbia/Lancair factory built planes. Comparing their safety records
in 5 years should give a better indication if the chute makes a
difference.


Ultimately I bet pilot issues will be the main factor.

I agree. The question in my mind is will the presence of the BRS affect
the pilot's judgement.

Matt

Is there a "when to pull the chute" guide or some sort of
specific training for these BRS equiped planes?

I mean, it seems logical that one wouldn't just intall a BRS in a
plane and hand it over to a pilot. I would think there would be
some sort of guidelines describing appropriate and inappropriate
situations for using the BRS.

Brian
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Skywise wrote:
Is there a "when to pull the chute" guide or some sort of
specific training for these BRS equiped planes?

Here's their aircraft information manual:
http://www.cirrusdesign.com/servicec...anualOct05.pdf

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Ron Lee wrote:

And the reports seem to glorify the BRS yet nothing is mentioned of
why the pilot entered icing conditions and if that should have been
anticipated.

I am curious about the TKS system. Was the accident Cirrus equipped with
a
TKS anti-ice system, as the SR22 models are these days?

--
Peter

I believe the article said the Cirrus had no icing equipment.

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DW

The bigger issue is whether pilots are taking risks with Cirrus planes that
they wouldn't otherwise take, because they know they have a BRS chute
available.

Mike Schumann

"Skywise" wrote in message
...
Matt Whiting wrote in
news
Ron Lee wrote:
"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:


I would say an aircraft of similar build without a chute is the
Columbia/Lancair factory built planes. Comparing their safety records
in 5 years should give a better indication if the chute makes a
difference.


Ultimately I bet pilot issues will be the main factor.

I agree. The question in my mind is will the presence of the BRS affect
the pilot's judgement.

Matt

Is there a "when to pull the chute" guide or some sort of
specific training for these BRS equiped planes?

I mean, it seems logical that one wouldn't just intall a BRS in a
plane and hand it over to a pilot. I would think there would be
some sort of guidelines describing appropriate and inappropriate
situations for using the BRS.

Brian
--
http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism
Seismic FAQ: http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
Quake "predictions": http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?

"darthpup" wrote in message
oups.com...
You think ice builds up slowly? Think again. In thirty to sixty
seconds your wings can become unusable. Flying into clouds in the
Winter. DDDuuuuuhhh


Never said it did.

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DW

"Ben Hallert" wrote in message
oups.com...
The chute, whatever your opinion as a pilot, is a good PR story for GA.

I'd like to suggest an alternate interpretation: These ballistic
chutes are good PR for ballistic chutes. They're poor PR for the 99%
of planes that don't have them, and only reinforce the opinion in the
minds of the public that small planes are inherently unsafe UNLESS they
have chutes.

A non-aviator sees one of these stories and doesn't think "Wow, I guess
these planes are safer than I though!" They think "Wow, he sure was
lucky that plane happened to have a parachute."

Ben Hallert
PP-ASEL


Convincing the public of anything that goes against years of media preaching
is damn near impossible.

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DW