Haven't flown in a long while...

by "Sport Pilot" hppilot001@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan 31, 2006 at 08:17 AM




If you want a safer past time or hobby. Try riding motorcycles

I've done a little flying and a lot of bike riding. Studies say they are
about equally risky.

My impression is that riding motorcycles is far more dangerous than
proficient flier who is cautious.

Of course, the planes make much more noise....

Skylune wrote:
by "Sport Pilot" hppilot001@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan 31, 2006 at 08:17 AM




If you want a safer past time or hobby. Try riding motorcycles

I've done a little flying and a lot of bike riding. Studies say they are
about equally risky.

My impression is that riding motorcycles is far more dangerous than
proficient flier who is cautious.

Of course, the planes make much more noise....

Statistics say that the only thing more dangerous than flying small
planes is skydiving. However that includes IFR. I recall reading in
aviation consumer years ago that VFR flying is safer than motorcycles
but still behind automobiles. IMO a lot could be done about small
aircraft safety. I recall Burt Rutan proposed a system that would
probably make IFR flying safer, but would add expense for a heads up
display.

by "Sport Pilot" Jan 31, 2006 at 10:01 AM


Statistics say that the only thing more dangerous than flying small
planes is skydiving. However that includes IFR. I recall reading in
aviation consumer years ago that VFR flying is safer than motorcycles
but still behind automobiles. IMO a lot could be done about small
aircraft safety. I recall Burt Rutan proposed a system that would
probably make IFR flying safer, but would add expense for a heads up
display.

Well, I think scuba diving is also up there as high risk. I'm not saying
that flying a small plane is not "high risk" (thats y so many life
insurance companies have exclusions for diving, flying and skydiving),
just that a cautious flyer (not pushing minimums, thourough pre flight
100% of the time, flying a relatively new plane, etc.) is safer than
riding a bike, IMO.

I don't think there will ever be a way to 100% objectively compare safety
statistics of different modes of transportation, but the most thoughtful
studies have put it about at the level of riding a bike. But I still
think flying a plane puts most of the risk on the pilot (training,
competence, currency, etc.) whereas on a motorcycle, you are at the whim
of people in cars and trucks.


I had numerous close calls on my old Yamaha RD 350 when I was in my 20s.
All caused by cars that didn't see me or just didn't care. When I flew in
the past, I wasn't really worried about a mid air. These are statistically
rare.

Of course, the planes make much more noise....

???

Clearly you've never lived in the Milwaukee area. For some reason, the
Harley crowd finds it necessary and desireable to drill out their
mufflers almost immediately after bringing their Hog home from the
dealer...

They're ubiquitous in summer, and at least twice as loud as any
airplane short of a Harrier jump jet.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

???

Clearly you've never lived in the Milwaukee area. For some reason, the
Harley crowd finds it necessary and desireable to drill out their
mufflers almost immediately after bringing their Hog home from the
dealer...

They're ubiquitous in summer, and at least twice as loud as any
airplane short of a Harrier jump jet.

If they did that in my current (New Hampshire) state, or former state (NY)
they would be ticketed by the police. There are noise laws.

by "Skylune" Jan 31, 2006 at 03:23 PM


???

Clearly you've never lived in the Milwaukee area. For some reason, the
Harley crowd finds it necessary and desireable to drill out their
mufflers almost immediately after bringing their Hog home from the
dealer...

They're ubiquitous in summer, and at least twice as loud as any
airplane short of a Harrier jump jet.

If they did that in my current (New Hampshire) state, or former state
(NY)
they would be ticketed by the police. There are noise laws.

BTW, there are also strict limits on noise boats can make. I personally
know of boaters that were ticketed for loud exhausts. Most states have
regulations.

http://www.marineparts.com/partspage.../noiselaws.htm

I repeat a basic FACT: only small planes are exempt from any and all
noise regulations.

by "Skylune" Jan 31, 2006 at 03:23 PM


???

Clearly you've never lived in the Milwaukee area. For some reason, the
Harley crowd finds it necessary and desireable to drill out their
mufflers almost immediately after bringing their Hog home from the
dealer...

They're ubiquitous in summer, and at least twice as loud as any
airplane short of a Harrier jump jet.

If they did that in my current (New Hampshire) state, or former state
(NY)
they would be ticketed by the police. There are noise laws.

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
???

Clearly you've never lived in the Milwaukee area. For some reason, the
Harley crowd finds it necessary and desireable to drill out their
mufflers almost immediately after bringing their Hog home from the
dealer...

They're ubiquitous in summer, and at least twice as loud as any
airplane short of a Harrier jump jet.

If they did that in my current (New Hampshire) state, or former state (NY)
they would be ticketed by the police. There are noise laws.


Chances are the laws are not enforced. Most states have noise laws but
enforcement is very far down the list of police priorities.

Chances are the laws are not enforced. Most states have noise laws but
enforcement is very far down the list of police priorities.

This is not true in Manchester NH, Nashua NH, and in the lakes region.
Try riding a bike with straight pipes and see what happens.

But I'd settle for a noise law on planes, even if loosely enforced. Now
there are no laws for planes.

Cycles' roar is No. 1
NH noise complaint
By MARK HAYWARD
Union Leader Staff



Last summer, police in Seacoast towns decided to clamp down on noise from
motorcycles and car stereos.

State and local police manned road blocks and initially distributed
literature and warnings. Since then, they have been issuing tickets to
noisy motorcyclists and for loud car stereos.

It is not easy; Hampton must hire special details, often at overtime
rates, to enforce the noise ordinance, said Police Chief William Wrenn.
But noise had become the number-one complaint in the region during summer
months

“I believe it’s had an impact,” Wrenn said about his efforts. “It’s a
tremendous problem today, especially with motorcycles. They have a
tendency to want to be loud.”

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Cycles' roar is No. 1
NH noise complaint
By MARK HAYWARD
Union Leader Staff
...
It is not easy; Hampton must hire special details, often at overtime
rates, to enforce the noise ordinance, said Police Chief William Wrenn.
But noise had become the number-one complaint in the region during summer
months


I'm glad we agree. Noise from small airplanes just plane isn't a problem
when compared to other sources.

I used to live about 2 miles from the Detroit River, and about 3 miles from
an airport. I could hear the boats on the water just fine. The only aircraft
noise I used to notice was from the Goodyear Blimp. I always liked to hear
that, because then I knew to dash down to the airport to watch it come in.

Where I live now, there is a B17 that rumbles overhead pretty regularly
(Yankee Airforce Museum) - That's always nice to hear, but unless I'm
looking up, I don't notice small planes. Trains, and the nieghbors dogs, on
the other hand...

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Geoff
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