question on student taxi practice

For a certificated land pilot, 90% of the seaplane rating is
how to taxi, sail and dock, beaching, and the rules of water
navigation. Yet no seaplane instructor would allow a
student to practice solo in the seaplane

Then you'd agree that the ability to taxi a land plane (on land) has
little bearing on the ability to taxi a seaplane (on water). One
without the skills to solo a seaplane could very easily have the skills
to taxi a land plane (or even fly it).

One without the skills to fly any kind of plane could still have the
skills to taxi a nosewheel landplane safely solo (but not have the
skills to taxi a tailwheel landplane safely solo).

This gets down to instructor judgement, and the type of plane (sea,
land, nosewheel, ski) makes a difference in what would be considered
good judgement.

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I think it is always "bad instructor judgment" to allow a
student who has not yet soloed and been properly endorsed to
operate an airplane of any type or configuration as the only
occupant of the airplane. Whether the student has the skill
or judgment to taxi a trike, tailwheel, seaplane or
skiplane, they are NOT yet good enough to do so until they
have enough skill and experience to rate the solo
endorsement. Now, if they are on an island about to be hit
by a tidal wave and there are just enough planes and seats
to take everybody to safety and one lane has to be flown
solo by a student pilot, your exercise emergency authority
and go.

The skill required to taxi is vitally important to flying,
you can't take-off or land without taxiing. You can crash
during taxi. The FAA/NTSB accident and incident reports
indicate that taxiing is a very hazardous area of operation.
So for me, students are either dual or endorsed and
supervised.


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"Jose" wrote in message
t...
| For a certificated land pilot, 90% of the seaplane rating
is
| how to taxi, sail and dock, beaching, and the rules of
water
| navigation. Yet no seaplane instructor would allow a
| student to practice solo in the seaplane
|
| Then you'd agree that the ability to taxi a land plane (on
land) has
| little bearing on the ability to taxi a seaplane (on
water). One
| without the skills to solo a seaplane could very easily
have the skills
| to taxi a land plane (or even fly it).
|
| One without the skills to fly any kind of plane could
still have the
| skills to taxi a nosewheel landplane safely solo (but not
have the
| skills to taxi a tailwheel landplane safely solo).
|
| This gets down to instructor judgement, and the type of
plane (sea,
| land, nosewheel, ski) makes a difference in what would be
considered
| good judgement.
|
| Jose
| --
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Whether the student has the skill
or judgment to taxi a trike, tailwheel, seaplane or
skiplane, they are NOT yet good enough to do so until they
have enough skill and experience to rate the solo
endorsement.

I disagree. Maybe we need to just agree to disagree, but I'd like to
know how the lack of skill in flying through the air (solo) affects the
ability to excercise good judgement at ten knots on the ground on a calm
day (we don't know that it wasn't a nice day, and you are making an
absolute pronouncement)

.... and I don't see the connection between this and getting a 12 year
old girl pregnant.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
...
| Whether the student has the skill
| or judgment to taxi a trike, tailwheel, seaplane or
| skiplane, they are NOT yet good enough to do so until
they
| have enough skill and experience to rate the solo
| endorsement.
|
| I disagree. Maybe we need to just agree to disagree, but
I'd like to
| know how the lack of skill in flying through the air
(solo) affects the
| ability to excercise good judgement at ten knots on the
ground on a calm
| day (we don't know that it wasn't a nice day, and you are
making an
| absolute pronouncement)
|
| ... and I don't see the connection between this and
getting a 12 year
| old girl pregnant.
|
| Jose
| --
| Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

You can't get a little pregnant, neither can you almost fly
an airplane. A non-yet soled student can have an accident
at 10 mph, even death is not unheard of at low speeds.
Rated pilots often have loss of directional control
accidents, just because a student can operate one or two
times safely does not make the operation safe.

A 12 year old is not ready for sex any more than a 2 hour
student pilot is ready to be alone in an airplane with the
engine running. That is my opinion and your are entitled to
your opinion if you are a certified flight instructor.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
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But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
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"Jose" wrote in message
...
| Whether the student has the skill
| or judgment to taxi a trike, tailwheel, seaplane or
| skiplane, they are NOT yet good enough to do so until
they
| have enough skill and experience to rate the solo
| endorsement.
|
| I disagree. Maybe we need to just agree to disagree, but
I'd like to
| know how the lack of skill in flying through the air
(solo) affects the
| ability to excercise good judgement at ten knots on the
ground on a calm
| day (we don't know that it wasn't a nice day, and you are
making an
| absolute pronouncement)
|
| ... and I don't see the connection between this and
getting a 12 year
| old girl pregnant.
|
| Jose
| --
| Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:1sxZf.23$8q.11@dukeread08...

That is my opinion and your are entitled to
your opinion if you are a certified flight instructor.

So not being a certificated flight instructor means I am not entitled to an
opinion?

You can't get a little pregnant, neither can you almost fly
an airplane.

Taxiing is not "almost flying" an airplane. It is "not flying" an airplane.

A non-yet soled student can have an accident
at 10 mph, even death is not unheard of at low speeds.

A 20,000 ATP CFI can have an accident at low speeds, and if he kills
himself he's just as dead. Ratings are not a shield. Your statement is
irrelevant.

That is my opinion and your are entitled to
your opinion if you are a certified flight instructor.

I am entitled to my opinion even if all I do is draw pictures of
airplanes and make engine noises in my cubicle.

Jose
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:36:20 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

You can't get a little pregnant, neither can you almost fly
an airplane

Actually, that's exactly how the French taught flying in WWI, and
therefore how most American pilots learned to fly. They employed a
"Penguin" that could taxi but not fly. You got in, taxied like crazy
across a field, turned it around, and the guy on the other side
stepped in and taxied back, and so on until everyone had had a turn.

I suppose the idea was to save money and not have the student pilots
tie up an actual airplane (and risk pranging it) while they learned to
taxi -- a considerable skill in a taildragger.


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Student pilot, 2 hours dual given, Piper Cub, goes out to
practice taxiing on a paved uncontrolled airport. Wind is
calm at 9:30 AM, at 9:45 the wind picks up to 20G35.....
you be the judge about student pilot skill.

Same conditions, except Cessna 152, student pilot still is
in trouble.

The skills needed to safely taxi an airplane include weather
and forecasts, control positioning, having the wing tips and
tail miss contacting other airplanes, not killing people who
may walk into the area, radio monitoring and perhaps
talking, hand, foot and eye coordination....

Airplanes designed by Ted Smith use nosewheel steering, but
not in a standard way, some are steered by electrical
switches mounted on the panel, some by holding the rudders
still and tapping the brakes. Some planes have steerable
tailwheels, some have toe brakes and some have heel brakes.
Learjets, Beechjets and Boeings are different too.

If a student pilot needs "practice" in the "simple art of
taxiing" they need a CFI present until they are ready to
solo.
see http://www.aviationsafetymagazine.com/sample/taxi.html
for a eye-opener which also opened a fuel tank.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.




"Cub Driver" usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in message
...
| On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:36:20 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| You can't get a little pregnant, neither can you almost
fly
| an airplane
|
| Actually, that's exactly how the French taught flying in
WWI, and
| therefore how most American pilots learned to fly. They
employed a
| "Penguin" that could taxi but not fly. You got in, taxied
like crazy
| across a field, turned it around, and the guy on the other
side
| stepped in and taxied back, and so on until everyone had
had a turn.
|
| I suppose the idea was to save money and not have the
student pilots
| tie up an actual airplane (and risk pranging it) while
they learned to
| taxi -- a considerable skill in a taildragger.
|
|
| -- all the best, Dan Ford
|
| email: usenet AT danford DOT net
|
| Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com
| Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com
| In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com

Student pilot, 2 hours dual given, Piper Cub, goes out to
practice taxiing on a paved uncontrolled airport. Wind is
calm at 9:30 AM, at 9:45 the wind picks up to 20G35.....
you be the judge about student pilot skill.

Student pilot, 20 hours dual given, Piper Cub, goes out to
practice the pattern on a paved uncontrolled airport. Wind is
calm at 9:30 AM, at 9:45 the wind picks up to 20G35.....
you be the judge about student pilot skill.

Jose
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