question on student taxi practice

A 12 year old girl, some even younger, can get pregnant, she
may even have the skill and desire to practice. But that
does not make it right.
The student should not be allowed in the position of
operating solo before they are fully trained for solo.

The student gains nothing of value and risks a lot. The CFI
risks a lot too, it just isn't worth the risk.



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James H. Macklin
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"Jose" wrote in message
t...
| Doing this in my opinion fogs the issue of pilot
responsibility for the
| student, who can now easily start to believe that
responsibility for the
| safety of an airplane can be assumed in steps....or
gradually, as the case
| may be.
|
| I disagree. It is not the responsibility that is
transferred in steps,
| but rather, the authority (whether self imposed or not).
A pilot who is
| endorsed for solo flight has full responsibility for the
flight during
| all its stages, but is not (typically) authorized to fly
at night or on
| instruments. That comes later, with experience (and
often, with other
| endorsements, which could include certification). A
smart, newly minted
| instrument pilot does not give himself the =authority=
(I'm stretching
| the word here but I trust you get the concept) to fly in
convective
| activity, the edge of icing conditions, or widespread low
IFR; that too
| comes later with experience (and equipment capability).
But the
| responsibility for the flight always rests with the pilot.
|
| I don't see how letting a student (who has demonstrated
his ability,
| irrespective of the number of hours he has) taxi an
airplane solo prior
| to being ready for and endorsed for actual through-the-air
flying
| transfers only =partial= responsibility for the handling
of the aircraft.
|
| Jose
| --
| Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Whether the student has the skill
or judgment to taxi a trike, tailwheel, seaplane or
skiplane, they are NOT yet good enough to do so until they
have enough skill and experience to rate the solo
endorsement.

I disagree. Maybe we need to just agree to disagree, but I'd like to
know how the lack of skill in flying through the air (solo) affects the
ability to excercise good judgement at ten knots on the ground on a calm
day (we don't know that it wasn't a nice day, and you are making an
absolute pronouncement)

.... and I don't see the connection between this and getting a 12 year
old girl pregnant.

Jose
--
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I don't know,But I would say the student had more time than 2 hr.There
may be a lie here some place.My be not. LJ

Jim Macklin wrote:
A 12 year old girl, some even younger, can get pregnant, she
may even have the skill and desire to practice. But that
does not make it right.
The student should not be allowed in the position of
operating solo before they are fully trained for solo.

The student gains nothing of value and risks a lot. The CFI
risks a lot too, it just isn't worth the risk.

"Jose" wrote in message
...
| Whether the student has the skill
| or judgment to taxi a trike, tailwheel, seaplane or
| skiplane, they are NOT yet good enough to do so until
they
| have enough skill and experience to rate the solo
| endorsement.
|
| I disagree. Maybe we need to just agree to disagree, but
I'd like to
| know how the lack of skill in flying through the air
(solo) affects the
| ability to excercise good judgement at ten knots on the
ground on a calm
| day (we don't know that it wasn't a nice day, and you are
making an
| absolute pronouncement)
|
| ... and I don't see the connection between this and
getting a 12 year
| old girl pregnant.
|
| Jose
| --
| Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

You can't get a little pregnant, neither can you almost fly
an airplane. A non-yet soled student can have an accident
at 10 mph, even death is not unheard of at low speeds.
Rated pilots often have loss of directional control
accidents, just because a student can operate one or two
times safely does not make the operation safe.

A 12 year old is not ready for sex any more than a 2 hour
student pilot is ready to be alone in an airplane with the
engine running. That is my opinion and your are entitled to
your opinion if you are a certified flight instructor.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Jose" wrote in message
...
| Whether the student has the skill
| or judgment to taxi a trike, tailwheel, seaplane or
| skiplane, they are NOT yet good enough to do so until
they
| have enough skill and experience to rate the solo
| endorsement.
|
| I disagree. Maybe we need to just agree to disagree, but
I'd like to
| know how the lack of skill in flying through the air
(solo) affects the
| ability to excercise good judgement at ten knots on the
ground on a calm
| day (we don't know that it wasn't a nice day, and you are
making an
| absolute pronouncement)
|
| ... and I don't see the connection between this and
getting a 12 year
| old girl pregnant.
|
| Jose
| --
| Nothing takes longer than a shortcut.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

2 hours was the stated amount of time. the key isn't 2
hours or twenty, it is lack of a solo endorsement.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"LJ" wrote in message
...
|I don't know,But I would say the student had more time than
2 hr.There
| may be a lie here some place.My be not.
LJ
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| A 12 year old girl, some even younger, can get pregnant,
she
| may even have the skill and desire to practice. But
that
| does not make it right.
| The student should not be allowed in the position of
| operating solo before they are fully trained for solo.
|
| The student gains nothing of value and risks a lot. The
CFI
| risks a lot too, it just isn't worth the risk.
|
|
|
|

Jim Macklin wrote:
2 hours was the stated amount of time. the key isn't 2
hours or twenty, it is lack of a solo endorsement.

Exactly. The FARs are very explicit as to extent of training
required before someone can be endorsed for solo operation of
an airplane... this includes training in virtually every aspect
of airplane operation. to wit: weather breifing, pre-flight,
taxiing, ATC communications, airport signs, aborting take-offs,
simulated engine failures, ground reference manuevers, stall
awareness/recovery, climbs and decents, go-arounds, cross wind
landings and take-offs.... etc. etc. etc. etc. And then there
a pre-solo written test with questions covering subjects of
operation of the make/model of airplane as well as operations
and procedures pertinent to the airport must be administered.

In fact, in order to be signed off for solo operation, the student has
to be trained in almost every aspect and subject covered by the PP PTS.
Perhaps cross country navigation might be the only subject not needed
to have been covered (and logged in the students logbook) before solo
operation of that category and class of aircraft.

To argue that its perfectly OKAY (or even beneficial) to taxi around
an airport without a solo endorsement shows a lack of judgement in
and of itself.

"kontiki" wrote in message
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Fortunatley you are irrelevent or I would probably be angered by your
tendency to be an a$$hole.

lol...

You're the one who went off on an entirely incorrect criticism of Todd's
post. All I did (along with others) was to correct you.

Are you saying that your inability to believe the truth IS relevant to
whether it's the truth or not?

Someone's being an asshole here, but it ain't me.

"Jose" wrote in message
t...
It bears on the skill required for taxiing, and the possible reasons for
solo taxi practice before solo flight.

Why should a taildragger pilot be MORE in need of solo taxi practice than a
nosewheel pilot?

If anything, the taildragger pilot is in more need of supervision.

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:1sxZf.23$8q.11@dukeread08...

That is my opinion and your are entitled to
your opinion if you are a certified flight instructor.

So not being a certificated flight instructor means I am not entitled to an
opinion?