Using automobile gas with ethanol

"M" wrote in message
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Honestly, the ethanol industry in this country doesn't even have the
produciton capacity to supply a nation wide ethanol mix of 2%. They
can barely supply the current requirement the replace MTBE in those
metro areas and the ethanol price is shooting through the roof.

odd, I could swear all the pumps in wisconsin have placards on them warning
buyers that the gas has 10% ethanol in them

I've been contemplating switching some vehicles over to 100% ethanol, and
grow my own, to kill off the demand for it at the pump. if the demand is
high does than mean seed corn is going to skyrocket too?

remember seeing a 100% ethanol plane at oshkosh, so it cannot be impossible
to convert.

Tater Schuld wrote:
"M" wrote in message
oups.com...
Honestly, the ethanol industry in this country doesn't even have the
produciton capacity to supply a nation wide ethanol mix of 2%. They
can barely supply the current requirement the replace MTBE in those
metro areas and the ethanol price is shooting through the roof.

odd, I could swear all the pumps in wisconsin have placards on them warning
buyers that the gas has 10% ethanol in them

Do the placards read the gas contains that, or something like "may
contain up to 10%"?

Also, it may be the gas station chains simply post the notices on all
pumps... just speculation on my part.

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:44:31 -0500, Jim Carriere
wrote:

Tater Schuld wrote:
odd, I could swear all the pumps in wisconsin have placards on them warning
buyers that the gas has 10% ethanol in them

Do the placards read the gas contains that, or something like "may
contain up to 10%"?

Also, it may be the gas station chains simply post the notices on all
pumps... just speculation on my part.

For those who are interested, I included the procedure for testing for alcohol
in my last EAA chapter newsletter. See page 5 on:

http://www.eaa26.org/apr06.pdf

Ron Wanttaja

I see those placards saying "may contain up to 10% ethanol" a lot in
Washington state. However as of today most of the gasoline sold here
does not contain any ethanol. The reason is ethanol is expensive to
blend into the fuel because it needs to be transported in trucks or
barges from ethanol producing states.

On 25 Apr 2006 21:45:13 -0700, "M" wrote:

I see those placards saying "may contain up to 10% ethanol" a lot in
Washington state. However as of today most of the gasoline sold here
does not contain any ethanol. The reason is ethanol is expensive to
blend into the fuel because it needs to be transported in trucks or
barges from ethanol producing states.

I tanked up here in Seattle just last Saturday, filling my cans at the local
Chevron station. I ran the test...the gas was clear. However, I have detected
alcohol in the past in cases where the pumps indicated that the gas would NOT
contain booze....

Ron Wanttaja

One of the interesting thing is Winsconsin has quite a few number of
airports that sell mogas, according to
http://www.chouby.com/apps/autogas.html

Since autogas STC prohibits ethanol in the fuel, this seems to indicate
that those airports somehow can get autogas free of ethanol.

FYI, here in Pennsylvania, where until recently I drove a tank-truck
delivering fuel, the "branded" SUNOCO is blended 10% etanol in all
grades. I know of no other retailers selling ethanol-blend unless they
buy blended specifically, from SUNOCO.

However, several of the convenience stores have placarded their pumps:
"...may contain ethanol" in anticipation of perhaps buying the blend.

We hauled the ethanol (denatured with addition of 2% gasoline) 9200
gallons per load, 100 miles from Philadelphia (rail and sea-port
terminal) to the SUNOCO bulk-plant (pipeline terminal) in
Mechanicsburg, at the rate oif three or four loads daily. So there is
some use (demand) for the stuff. Most ethanol arrived by ship.

On 25 Apr 2006 22:50:38 -0700, wrote:

FYI, here in Pennsylvania, where until recently I drove a tank-truck
delivering fuel, the "branded" SUNOCO is blended 10% etanol in all
grades. I know of no other retailers selling ethanol-blend unless they
buy blended specifically, from SUNOCO.


Up here in Ontario, what used to be Co-Op , UPI, and at least one
other non-Sunoco supplier used 10% Ethanol.

Shell Premium has NO Ethanol, and according to shell, never will.

However, several of the convenience stores have placarded their pumps:
"...may contain ethanol" in anticipation of perhaps buying the blend.

We hauled the ethanol (denatured with addition of 2% gasoline) 9200
gallons per load, 100 miles from Philadelphia (rail and sea-port
terminal) to the SUNOCO bulk-plant (pipeline terminal) in
Mechanicsburg, at the rate oif three or four loads daily. So there is
some use (demand) for the stuff. Most ethanol arrived by ship.

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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:04:09 -0400, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:



Up here in Ontario, what used to be Co-Op , UPI, and at least one
other non-Sunoco supplier used 10% Ethanol.

Shell Premium has NO Ethanol, and according to shell, never will.

Yeah for now but Dalton has promised that we'll all be burning 10% by
2009. Now they need to build more ethanol plants to meet the
legislated need. Most of the corn will come from Michigan cuz it's so
much cheaper there.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:58:04 GMT, (Drew
Dalgleish) wrote:

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:04:09 -0400, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:



Up here in Ontario, what used to be Co-Op , UPI, and at least one
other non-Sunoco supplier used 10% Ethanol.

Shell Premium has NO Ethanol, and according to shell, never will.

Yeah for now but Dalton has promised that we'll all be burning 10% by
2009. Now they need to build more ethanol plants to meet the
legislated need. Most of the corn will come from Michigan cuz it's so
much cheaper there.
Ethanol fuel is a crock anyway, particularly when made from corn, as
so much of the fertilizer required to get a good corn crop is
petroleum based. Ethanol is pretty much a wash when produced from
corn. Gotta use elephant grass, or other non-fertilizer intesive
biomass if ethanol is going to be ANY kind of a solution.
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