How to land on a grass airstrip

"Dave Stadt" wrote:
Around here the FBOs that rent taildraggers only allow operation on grass.
Grass causes no additional wear and tear and in fact is easier on tires. We
are talking about turf runways not dirt.

We were talking about the rule at flight schools/FBOs prohibiting
landing rental aircraft on "unimproved" strips -- that encompasses
grass/turf and/or dirt and sand, or anything that's *not paved*. I did
not disagree that grass is easier on tires.

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unicate wrote:

"Dave Stadt" wrote:
Around here the FBOs that rent taildraggers only allow operation on grass.
Grass causes no additional wear and tear and in fact is easier on tires.
We
are talking about turf runways not dirt.

We were talking about the rule at flight schools/FBOs prohibiting
landing rental aircraft on "unimproved" strips -- that encompasses
grass/turf and/or dirt and sand, or anything that's *not paved*. I did
not disagree that grass is easier on tires.


The operative word here is "unimproved." Usually, a dedicated grass
runway is an "improved" runway; therefore, it falls outside the
restriction. Improved runways include turf, pavement -- even graded
dirt, for that matter.

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
The operative word here is "unimproved." Usually, a dedicated grass
runway is an "improved" runway; therefore, it falls outside the
restriction. Improved runways include turf, pavement -- even graded
dirt, for that matter.

"Improved" at our flight school, and at other flight schools/FBOs at
this municipal airport and two others within a 15 nm radius means PAVED,
period. Grass, turf, graded dirt and any other *non-paved* surface is
considered unimproved ... as verified by FBO/flight school owners
whenever questioned by students/renters as they sign the aircraft rental
agreement. This applies to EVERYONE flying the aircraft - students,
licensed pilots, CFIs, examiners. That's not to say some don't land
elsewhere, but as with any "rule", there will always be some that think
it doesn't apply to them!

unicate wrote in
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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
The operative word here is "unimproved." Usually, a dedicated grass
runway is an "improved" runway; therefore, it falls outside the
restriction. Improved runways include turf, pavement -- even graded
dirt, for that matter.

"Improved" at our flight school, and at other flight schools/FBOs at
this municipal airport and two others within a 15 nm radius means
PAVED, period. Grass, turf, graded dirt and any other *non-paved*
surface is considered unimproved ... as verified by FBO/flight school
owners whenever questioned by students/renters as they sign the
aircraft rental agreement. This applies to EVERYONE flying the
aircraft - students, licensed pilots, CFIs, examiners. That's not to
say some don't land elsewhere, but as with any "rule", there will
always be some that think it doesn't apply to them!


i doubt that would hold up if the FBO ever tried to sue you or otherwise
enforce it, if they mean PAVED, they should state PAVED...

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unicate schrieb:

"Improved" at our flight school, and at other flight schools/FBOs at
this municipal airport and two others within a 15 nm radius means PAVED,
period.

I'm not a native English speaker, so what do I know, but if I had
translated that way in my English tests, I sure would have failed.

Stefan

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Stefan wrote:

unicate schrieb:

"Improved" at our flight school, and at other flight schools/FBOs at
this municipal airport and two others within a 15 nm radius means PAVED,
period.

I'm not a native English speaker, so what do I know, but if I had
translated that way in my English tests, I sure would have failed.

Little know fact... many US barristers get their undergraduate degree in
English before going on to get their JD.

All,

My goodness, this is great I searched in Google and in my books and I
couldn't find a lot of info on the matter, then I decided to try the
forum and then... bum... 112 posts, I really appreciated all answers,
it makes me think that the subject is not as simple as I though. I have
only 90hours in my log and only 12 hours solo, most of them in a
Diamond katana DV20 and never land in any other surface than asphalt. I
think I'm going to invest in one hour CFI, to get the minimum
knowledge transfer and then try it myself. Thank again for all the
answers.

Clive Rudd Fernandez

john smith wrote:
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Stefan wrote:

unicate schrieb:

"Improved" at our flight school, and at other flight schools/FBOs at
this municipal airport and two others within a 15 nm radius means PAVED,
period.

I'm not a native English speaker, so what do I know, but if I had
translated that way in my English tests, I sure would have failed.

Little know fact... many US barristers get their undergraduate degree in
English before going on to get their JD.

"drclive" wrote:
My goodness, this is great I searched in Google and in my books and I
couldn't find a lot of info on the matter, then I decided to try the
forum and then... bum... 112 posts, I really appreciated all answers,
it makes me think that the subject is not as simple as I though. I have
only 90hours in my log and only 12 hours solo, most of them in a
Diamond katana DV20 and never land in any other surface than asphalt. I
think I'm going to invest in one hour CFI, to get the minimum
knowledge transfer and then try it myself. Thank again for all the
answers.

Clive, congrats to you for posting a topic that inspired so many
thought-provoking responses! Please let us know how the grass landing
goes and also what your CFI has to say/advise during the hour. Good luck!

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"drclive" wrote:

All,

My goodness, this is great I searched in Google and in my books and I
couldn't find a lot of info on the matter, then I decided to try the
forum and then... bum... 112 posts, I really appreciated all answers,
it makes me think that the subject is not as simple as I though. I have
only 90hours in my log and only 12 hours solo, most of them in a
Diamond katana DV20 and never land in any other surface than asphalt. I
think I'm going to invest in one hour CFI, to get the minimum
knowledge transfer and then try it myself. Thank again for all the
answers.

Clive Rudd Fernandez

Well, as they used to say during the 1960s, "There's nothing like good
grass!" :)

drclive wrote:

All,

My goodness, this is great I searched in Google and in my books and I
couldn't find a lot of info on the matter, then I decided to try the
forum and then... bum... 112 posts, I really appreciated all answers,
it makes me think that the subject is not as simple as I though. I have
only 90hours in my log and only 12 hours solo, most of them in a
Diamond katana DV20 and never land in any other surface than asphalt. I
think I'm going to invest in one hour CFI, to get the minimum
knowledge transfer and then try it myself. Thank again for all the
answers.

Enjoy. Nothing like a well maintained grass strip on a warm summer day!

Just be sure to report back here with your experience.


Matt