Flaps on take-off and landing

Mxsmanic wrote:

Thomas Borchert writes:


I'd really like a source or two for that statement.


Why do you need a source? If you know how ANR works, it's obvious
that it could be done with windows (although it's equally obvious that
it might not be worth doing).

I know how ANR works and I think it is obvious that it could not be done
with windows.

Matt

Mxsmanic,

You can come near that number even with a car.


A driver's license for 100k? Yeah, right.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Mxsmanic,

again, you're talking about stuff you have no clue about.

We may have different standards of halfway decent.

You asked if you could buy and fly for 30k. You can. No mention about
what kind of plane.

Ah yes ... the $15K certificate that requires perfect health.

You have been told about the prices and that they are much lower. If
you prefer to continue not believing the facts, you come across more
ridiculous. Your choice.

Oh, and you could do that in France, too. Maybe you'd pay
15k.

For the license alone, yes, according to what pilots here in France
have told me.

More BS. The license in Europe is more expensive, however, it is not
15k. Yes, I fly in Germany.

In general, you can multiply U.S. prices by 2-3 or
more.

BS.

Listen, if you don't want to fly, so be it. But don't try to
rationalize it. It's your choice, period. No sorry excuses.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Mxsmanic,

A car.


Ok, propose a weekend trip with 900 km of driving one-way. You'd have
to really be into car driving.

And the
distance would be more like 640 km in a private plane, all things
considered.

What things considered? Again, you have no idea what you are talking
about. I have done such trips many times. You?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Mxsmanic,

If you know how ANR works, it's obvious
that it could be done with windows


Actually, if you know how it works, it's obvious it can't be done with
windows.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Minus all those neat sustained G forces.

mike

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
I'd much prefer to spend it in certified full-motion
simulators, which would give me essentially all the experience of real
flight with zero risk and maximum flexibility and enjoyment.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

I think he meant that it won't leave the runway once it's down.

mike

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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The Cardinal will not fly at gusts of 30 knots - no matter whether the
flaps are down or not.

BULL****. 20G33 was good student solo weather in Colorado where I
learned. We regularly took the Cardinal RG's out in these conditions.

I actually found that pulling the Johnson bar to somewhere between the first
and second notch works best in my Tripacer. I gat an almost Harrier-like
takeoff. It's pretty neat. Full flaps are more drag than lift.

mike

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

This is actually not uncommon. In some planes it's a crapshoot as
to whether flaps help the short field performance. The 172 for instance
breaks ground quicker, but climbs slower to the 50' obstacle so it's
a wash. If you've got one of the old johnson-bar manual flap version
your optimal performance is to start the roll with the flaps up, drop
them to 10 degrees to break ground and once you get to Vx raise them back
up again.

I've only heard of the "coffin corner" in reference to helicopter flight.

mike

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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By envelope I mean the area of safety between two extremes, e.g., the
"coffin corner" of some aircraft represents a very tiny envelope,
since more than a slight movement in any direction may result in
irrecoverable instability.

Trouble with this is that you now have to look at the screen out the corner
of your eye, since the monitor doesn't move. Multiple monitors would help.

mike

"T o d d P a t t i s t" wrote in message

It lets you look out the side window of the sim aircraft by
turning your head to the side. The device tracks your head
motion to the side then slews the screen display to show the
side view instead of the view straight out over the nose of
the aircraft. In a real landing, you are often looking out
the side to check your position relative to the runway. In
a sim, it's harder to do that. You can hit a key to show a
side view, but it doesn't feel as realistic as just turning
your head.

--
Do not spin this aircraft. If the aircraft does enter a spin it will
return to earth without further attention on the part of the aeronaut.

(first handbook issued with the Curtis-Wright flyer)