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  #251  
Old September 17th 06, 02:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
mike regish
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The propwash puts downward pressure on the horizontal stabilizer.

mike

"Tom Young" wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" ... wrote in message
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I'm surprised that propwash would matter, since the airflow from the
prop should stay in roughly the same place no matter what the attitude
of the aircraft. That is, it would be like putting a big fan on a
sailboat to drive it forward.


Propwash matters, and you can definitely feel the effect in the controls.
As for the affect at different airspeeds and a lot of other questions you
might have, a picture tells a thousand words and I'd really recommend
reading "Stick and Rudder" by Wolfgang Langewiesche. The book is almost 60
years old, but his explanations and illustrations are so good at cutting
through misconceptions that it's stood up very well with time.

Tom Young



  #252  
Old September 17th 06, 02:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
mike regish
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"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...

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The sim is better than real life. I've done both. In the little planes,
when u need to urinate, you do it in your pants or into a container. As
for the other bodily functions, you just gotta hold it and hope that there
isn't alot of traffic ahead of you before its your turn to land. (And the
pilots wonder why more women don't want to deal with this).


I go before I take off. No brainer.

In the little planes, you are oftentimes dealing with 1960s technology.
The little planes are either too hot or too cold. They can't get you
where you want to go unless you have an IFR license and a capable plane.
In the little planes, you have to worry about other marginally trained
pilots running into you (either on the ground, mid-air, or in the traffic
pattern).


Most places I want to go, I wouldn't go to if the weather was bad anyway.
(like Block Island)

In the little planes, you will waste at least $100K between the training,
equipment, insurance, gas, etc. (Better off buying a really nice BMW or
Audi or Porsche, which will get you where you want in less time, and where
you can pull over at a rest stop when you want).


My plane cost $17,500 for 4 seats. Storage, insurance and maintenance are
comparable to the expenses of a small boat and I can use it all year round.

And, best of all, in the sim world you can fly into and out of Megis Field
to your heart's content!


It's (was) Meigs-not Megis.

mike



  #253  
Old September 17th 06, 02:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
mike regish
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Unless you're going to an island.

mike

"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
m...

On trips shorter than 100 miles I can beat the plane with the Audi. Longer
trips the plane does much better. I also don't risk getting a speeding
ticket with the Navion.

Margy



  #254  
Old September 17th 06, 03:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
mike regish
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The wheels shouldn't touch until the plane stops flying. If you bounce, the
plane wasn't done flying or your wheels were too high when it did.

mike

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

A bounce in not inherent in a landing. It's a mistake.


It's inherent in the design of the landing gear and the aircraft, in
order to spare the rest of the airframe on hard landings.

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  #255  
Old September 17th 06, 03:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Margy Natalie
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Marty Shapiro writes:


In the SF Bay area here are the web sites of two FBO's at PAO where
you can rent wet (fuel included):

http:\\www.shorelineflyingclub.com
http:\\www.wvfc.org



At Shoreline, the lowest rates are a hundred times higher than those
for a car (which you can rent by the day, not by the hour, for about
the same prices). Plus you have to factor in (or amortize) the $9000
cost of your license and all the overhead expenses.

It looks like an extremely costly hobby, and an even more costly form
of transportation. I'm not happy about that, but there's no denying
it.

How can it be 100 times higher? You seem to think if you rent a plane
for the weekend that's 48 hours of rental, when it's FLIGHT TIME, not
clock time you rent by. So if there is a 2 hour per day minimum it's 4
hours, not 48. So let's see 4 X $70 (get a cheap plane!) is $280 for
two days. Find me a car I can rent for $2.80 a day!

Margy
  #256  
Old September 17th 06, 03:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Margy Natalie
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Margy Natalie writes:


Depends on the airplane.



How about a 737-800?

If you want to fly in a tin can go commercial. Why would I want to ride
in a Greyhound bus when I can drive my Audi?

Margy
  #257  
Old September 17th 06, 03:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Margy Natalie
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Thomas Borchert writes:


Much less. 10k will buy you something halfway decent.



We may have different standards of halfway decent.


And yes, you can take-off from the nearest strip without
formalities except having the certificate.



Ah yes ... the $15K certificate that requires perfect health.


Again, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.


Oh, and you could do that in France, too. Maybe you'd pay
15k.



For the license alone, yes, according to what pilots here in France
have told me. In general, you can multiply U.S. prices by 2-3 or
more.

  #258  
Old September 17th 06, 03:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Margy Natalie
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mike regish wrote:
Unless you're going to an island.

mike

"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
m...

On trips shorter than 100 miles I can beat the plane with the Audi. Longer
trips the plane does much better. I also don't risk getting a speeding
ticket with the Navion.

Margy




Very true, although the only island I typically fly to is more than 100
miles away. The runway takes up about half the island and the ladies
who run the island tour golf carts said "we don't understand, people
just fly in, have lunch and leave. We don't know why they do that". We
responded with "because we can". That seemed to make sense to them.

Margy
  #259  
Old September 17th 06, 03:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
mike regish
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And you can often work out a deal with the FBO wherre you can pay the dry
rate for the unused hours.

mike

"Allen" wrote in message
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You pay your 14 hours and you are good.

Margy


Or you fly two hours there, two hours back amd also pay for the 10 hours
you
did not fly. That reimburses the FBO for possible lost revenue while you
have sole posession of the plane.

Allen




  #260  
Old September 17th 06, 03:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
mike regish
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Some small bizjets do have active ANR installed in the cabins.

mike

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Thomas Borchert writes:

So now you're showing your cluelessness in the next field?


No, I was being facetious. Some people don't pick up on it.

How would ANR windows work, genius?


While technically possible, I don't think they'd be practical or
useful. It's much easier to build ANR headphones, just as it's easier
to wear shoes than it is to cover the ground with leather.

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