Procedure for calculating weight and balance

TxSrv writes:

Default position?

Yes.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
TxSrv writes:

Default position?

Yes.

What's the default position in my 1972 American AA-5
Traveler? No mention of it in the Pilot Operating Handbook.
If relevant to safety of flight, FAR Part 21 says the POH
must tell me so.

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TxSrv writes:

What's the default position in my 1972 American AA-5
Traveler? No mention of it in the Pilot Operating Handbook.

I know.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
TxSrv writes:

What's the default position in my 1972 American AA-5
Traveler? No mention of it in the Pilot Operating Handbook.

I know.

You know what? It's "default position," or that this odd
and irrelevant piece of information is not in the POH?

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TxSrv writes:

You know what? It's "default position," or that this odd
and irrelevant piece of information is not in the POH?

I know that it's not in the POH.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

I know that it's not in the POH.

Then you may have read my plane's POH, but certainly have
never flown one. Else you'd know how trim works and why
there's no "default position."

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see
http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/a...A-S-8083-1.pdf
W&B handbook
and
http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/a...lane_handbook/
and
http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/a...a/ac90-89a.pdf
am. flight testing


"TxSrv" wrote in message
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| Mxsmanic wrote:
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| I know that it's not in the POH.
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| Then you may have read my plane's POH, but certainly have
| never flown one. Else you'd know how trim works and why
| there's no "default position."
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TxSrv wrote:

Then you may have read my plane's POH, but certainly have
never flown one. Else you'd know how trim works and why
there's no "default position."

Okay, now that I've made the mistake of reading this discussion, you've got
me curious: How does your plane's trim work? It's obviously not a trim tab.
And how can there be no neutral/default position of the elevator or the
trim device?

"TxSrv" wrote in message
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What's the default position in my 1972 American AA-5 Traveler? No mention
of it in the Pilot Operating Handbook. If relevant to safety of flight,
FAR Part 21 says the POH must tell me so.

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In MSFS, if the gamer does not enter inputs for trim and/or W&B the
aircraft data revert to defaults. No such thing exists for our real
aircraft. Likewise, DA defaults to runway altitude regardless of local
meteorology. These are some of the errors in the game.

MSFS was originally developed by a company called subLOGIC and is
supported today by Microsoft Game Studios which develops and publishes video
games for Windows-based PCs and the Xbox and Xbox 360 video game consoles.
To some naive people the word simulator elevates the game's status far
beyond its reality -- it is a game, nothing more.
In the US, the FAA does not recognize any time spent on the game as
valid time for anything.
I loaded MSFS onto my computer and spent several hours with it using
yoke, rudder pedals, and throttle controls. I did a serious comparison of it
to the Cessna 172SP that I was flying at the time and as a legitimate
simulation I rated it poorly.
On the other hand, as a game for which it was intended, it was mildly
enjoyable. I still have it on my computer although the only use it gets is
when my grandson comes for a visit. Since he has many hours in the right
seat of 172s with both his dad and me, including lots of stick time, I once
asked him what he thought about flying the 172 in MSFS. Using the cliche --
out of the mouth of babes -- came the quote: "It's bogus."

So, don't look for any defaults in your airplane's POH it is a term used
in games, not real life.

Casey Wilson writes:

In MSFS, if the gamer does not enter inputs for trim and/or W&B the
aircraft data revert to defaults.

Actually, both can be saved and then reloaded later when loading a
flight or aircraft.

That's not what I meant, though.

To some naive people the word simulator elevates the game's status far
beyond its reality -- it is a game, nothing more.

It's a simulator. If it were a game, it would be making a lot more
money.

In the US, the FAA does not recognize any time spent on the game as
valid time for anything.

There are a lot of things the FAA doesn't recognize, but the FAA isn't
any kind of final authority on aviation.

I loaded MSFS onto my computer and spent several hours with it using
yoke, rudder pedals, and throttle controls. I did a serious comparison of it
to the Cessna 172SP that I was flying at the time and as a legitimate
simulation I rated it poorly.

Other people report just the opposite.

I still have it on my computer although the only use it gets is
when my grandson comes for a visit.

Of course.

Since he has many hours in the right
seat of 172s with both his dad and me, including lots of stick time, I once
asked him what he thought about flying the 172 in MSFS. Using the cliche --
out of the mouth of babes -- came the quote: "It's bogus."

You're clearly both far, far above this mere game.

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