Procedure for calculating weight and balance

Newps wrote:
Kev wrote:
Well, I suspect the concept would escape most non-pilots, because it is
a logical conclusion if you've never felt the actual pressures.

All it does is relieve the pressure. If there were no trim at all the
elevator would be in the exact same position, it would just suck to have
to hold it there.

Yes. And that's the kind of good, clear, short description which is
sorely needed in this thread.

Much better than all the other responders that answered: "No it
doesn't work that way." And then threw in an insult to show how
superior they are. Gee, they were really informative. Not. ;-)

Trim is, I think, the single hardest concept to get across to someone
using MSFS. You can argue until you're blue in the face to most users
(not just Mx), and they'll not be convinced of the major difference in
sim and real life.

I just don't understand why CH Products or anyone else has not come out
with a force feedback yoke and a good driver. They'd sell a ton to
pilots.

Btw, a while back, I ran across a website with instructions to add
electric trim to a CH yoke. The trim used a servo motor to physically
move the center point. I wish I could find it again. Oh wait. Google
to the rescue:

http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/chtrim.htm

Kev

Kev wrote:

All it does is relieve the pressure. If there were no trim at all the
elevator would be in the exact same position, it would just suck to have
to hold it there.


Yes. And that's the kind of good, clear, short description which is
sorely needed in this thread.

Much better than all the other responders that answered: "No it
doesn't work that way." And then threw in an insult to show how
superior they are. Gee, they were really informative. Not. ;-)




MxIdiot is a complete and utter moron and deserves everything he gets.
Plus it's fun.

Newps wrote:
MxIdiot is a complete and utter moron and deserves everything he gets.

Careful. Glass houses and all that.

Plus it's fun.

Dude, do more flying. I can think of a lot more fun things, than
constantly bashing one teenage boy on the net :-)

Kev

Kev wrote:
Newps wrote:

MxIdiot is a complete and utter moron and deserves everything he gets.


Careful. Glass houses and all that.


Fire away.





Plus it's fun.


Dude, do more flying. I can think of a lot more fun things, than
constantly bashing one teenage boy on the net :-)

Wind 280@30G45

Kev wrote:
Dude, do more flying. I can think of a lot more fun things, than
constantly bashing one teenage boy on the net :-)

The problem is he isn't a teenager.

http://www.atkielski.com/

Kev writes:

I just don't understand why CH Products or anyone else has not come out
with a force feedback yoke and a good driver. They'd sell a ton to
pilots.

It's already overpriced; I shudder to think what it would cost with
force feedback.

And several sources I've read say that incorrect feedback is worse
than none at all. And since different aircraft "feel" different, it
would be hard to calibrate the yoke for each aircraft (MSFS wouldn't
do it).

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Kev writes:
I just don't understand why CH Products or anyone else has not come out
with a force feedback yoke and a good driver. They'd sell a ton to
pilots.

It's already overpriced; I shudder to think what it would cost with
force feedback.

It is overpriced, so a decent cost with FF should be possible. Before
my recent illness chewed up a ton of savings, I had done some
prototyping and was considering starting a side business making such
yokes, although my first aim was selling a relatively inexpensive sim
avionics setup. (The latter also being overpriced.)

I'm a big believer that having sim avionics hardware allows pilots to
realistically practice setting up radios, nav, etc. In my area
(Northeast) you can change freqs fairly often.

And several sources I've read say that incorrect feedback is worse
than none at all. And since different aircraft "feel" different, it
would be hard to calibrate the yoke for each aircraft (MSFS wouldn't
do it).

Incorrect feedback is indeed worse than none at all. But none at all
is really bad.

It should not be difficult to allow for calibrating feedback for each
aircraft.

Kev

Kev writes:

It is overpriced, so a decent cost with FF should be possible.

But if they are already gouging on the price for the normal controls,
I'm sure they'd want an even more absurd margin on the force-feedback
version.

I'm a big believer that having sim avionics hardware allows pilots to
realistically practice setting up radios, nav, etc. In my area
(Northeast) you can change freqs fairly often.

The problem with special hardware is that it makes the simulator more
and more specific to a given aircraft, and less and less applicable to
other aircraft. If you try to come up with something generic, it
becomes inaccurate with _all_ aircraft.

For example, you can use a generic joystick, throttle, and rudder
pedals with almost any aircraft, but if you start building custom
autopilot control panels, you have to decide _which_ control panel you
want to simulate. And if you don't have a specific one in mind, there
isn't much to be gained by building a panel, as it won't be any closer
to reality than images on a screen.

It should not be difficult to allow for calibrating feedback for each
aircraft.

I don't think MSFS allows this, which is one problem with force
feedback in MSFS.

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