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Larry Dighera wrote:

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:10:33 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
wrote in
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In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 04:26:21 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
wrote in
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It seems to me that we "turned the other cheek" too many times in the
past: Lebanon, Khobar Towers, Mogadishu, the embassy bombings, the USS
Cole, etc.

Can there be too many times? Aggression only spawns more aggression.
Isn't that the wisdom behind Christ's words?

IMHO, you have to "turn the other cheek" only once. If he hits you
again, you flatten him, which is long overdue.

That's not a very enlightened attitude, IMO.

I think that it is a very enlightened approach -- it assures survival to
promote further "enlightened attitudes."

J.C. never mentioned what you do after the other guy hits you again.

Some people and groups respect only superior force.

An alternative to combat must be found. The causes of Martin Luther
King and Gandhi prevailed without their resorting to barbarism. It
took _sacrifice_ and commitment to a noble ideal, but they would have
ultimately failed without the weight of public sentiment being brought
to bear in their behalf.

Isn't it time we outgrew our reprehensible past behavior, and learned
to walk fully upright?

If our species doesn't learn to respond passively to attack, the human
race is doomed to a life of war. Isn't that obvious?

Well -- the first order of business is to understand your adversaries.
If their basic attitude is barbarism, then that is all they will
understand. Isn't that obvious?

Remember -- MLK and Ghandi were dealing with adversaries who operated
from a basically civilized point of view. AQ does not -- they only want
dominance and to kill "infidels."

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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Remember -- MLK and Ghandi were dealing with adversaries who operated
from a basically civilized point of view. AQ does not -- they only want
dominance and to kill "infidels."

Islam does teach to not make friends with infidels, but it does not teach to
kill infidels. It teaches to kill enemies of Islam.

Danny Deger

P.S. Not Muslim. I am Methodist but have read the Koran.

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:29:41 -0600, in
, Danny Deger wrote:
Islam does teach to not make friends with infidels, but it does not
teach to kill infidels. It teaches to kill enemies of Islam.

So, all it takes is one camel ****in' Bedoin religious leader to declare
that infidels are enemies of Islam and it's open season on us... Fair
enough as long as we can declare open season on them... Perhaps we can
start out with nuking Mecca during Ramadan... That should be good for
about 2 million of them... Unfortunately, there's probably another 1.6
billion of them that would need to be eliminated in order to remove
that blight from our planet... Of course, the Texas solutions can be
basically summed up this way:

"I've got a truck and a chain -- I think we can find a road with your name
on it"

Hmmm... A quick search of StreetAtlas didn't come up with any streets with
Mohammed in their names... Damn, we might have a problem with this one...

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:29:41 -0600, in
, Danny Deger wrote:
Islam does teach to not make friends with infidels, but it does not
teach to kill infidels. It teaches to kill enemies of Islam.

So, all it takes is one camel ****in' Bedoin religious leader to declare
that infidels are enemies of Islam and it's open season on us... Fair
enough as long as we can declare open season on them... Perhaps we can
start out with nuking Mecca during Ramadan...

Whoa up there cowboy...

Wrong Moslem holy festival. They aren't in Mecca for Ramadan, they're there
during the Hajj.

Jay B
(Resident, Tehran, Iran, 1976-77)

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:37:08 -0700, in
, Jay Beckman wrote:
Whoa up there cowboy...

Wrong Moslem holy festival. They aren't in Mecca for Ramadan, they're there
during the Hajj.

Damn, nearly wasted a nuke... Thanks for the correction...

Jay Beckman wrote:

Wrong Moslem holy festival. They aren't in Mecca for Ramadan, they're there
during the Hajj.

Jay B
(Resident, Tehran, Iran, 1976-77)



Since we are picking nits here. The Hajj is the pilgrimage to Mecca that
each Muslim is duty bound to make at least once in their life time. It
is done during the Muslim month of Dhu al-Hijjah.

Gig G
(Resident, Bahrain, summers of 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81)

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:29:41 -0800, Danny Deger wrote
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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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Remember -- MLK and Ghandi were dealing with adversaries who operated
from a basically civilized point of view. AQ does not -- they only want
dominance and to kill "infidels."

Islam does teach to not make friends with infidels, but it does not teach to
kill infidels. It teaches to kill enemies of Islam.

Danny Deger

P.S. Not Muslim. I am Methodist but have read the Koran.



Like those "peaceful" Muslims who rioted when Pope Benedict mentioned the
violence of their history? They demanded his head, burned churches, and
threatened to kill people until the Pope acknowledged that they were
"peaceful." The same with the Mohammed cartoons. Muslims were so incensed at
being told that they were not peaceful that violent riots swept the whole
world for weeks. That kind of "peaceful?" Somebody in the Islamic world maybe
needs to get a dictionary and find out what "peaceful" means.

("C J Campbell" wrote)
Like those "peaceful" Muslims who rioted when Pope Benedict mentioned the
violence of their history? They demanded his head, burned churches, and
threatened to kill people until the Pope acknowledged that they were
"peaceful."


"Threatened" to kill people?

Threatened???


Montblack

Like those "peaceful" Muslims who rioted when Pope Benedict mentioned the
violence of their history? They demanded his head, burned churches, and
threatened to kill people until the Pope acknowledged that they were
"peaceful." The same with the Mohammed cartoons. Muslims were so incensed at
being told that they were not peaceful that violent riots swept the whole
world for weeks. That kind of "peaceful?" Somebody in the Islamic world maybe
needs to get a dictionary and find out what "peaceful" means.

This type of "large group" irrational behavior is not uncommon, even in
our country.

Look at the "race riots" in the 1960s. Black people were so incensed
by their mistreatment that they....burned their own neighborhoods and
businesses to the ground.

Logical? Nope.

Worse, this set of actions set back race relations for at least another
generation or two -- not their intended result, I'm sure.

"Group-think" is the scariest of all human interactions.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Group-think" is the scariest of all human interactions.

And religion is the scariest of all group-think.

Jose
--
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