Departure procedures notice

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Air carrier training must really be in the tank these days.

Not to many air carriers flying off Meacham

Allen

Allen wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Air carrier training must really be in the tank these days.


Not to many air carriers flying off Meacham

Allen


I had a brain fade I was thinking of DFW with the same issues.

Training seems to suck for all segments of the IFR flying pilots these days.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Spade ]
Posted At: Thursday, January 25, 2007 3:35 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: Departure procedures notice
Subject: Departure procedures notice

Allen wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message
...

Air carrier training must really be in the tank these days.


Not to many air carriers flying off Meacham

Allen


I had a brain fade I was thinking of DFW with the same issues.

Training seems to suck for all segments of the IFR flying pilots these
days.

Could it be that attention to detail isn't being pressed as much today?
It was not a sin to bust a student on a phase check 30 years ago, but
today it seems like "everyone passes", just like some of our public
education systems.

Or could it be that we are seeing the results of students not focusing
on the task at hand and trying to do too many things at once during
their training?

Jim Carter wrote:

Training seems to suck for all segments of the IFR flying pilots these
days.


Could it be that attention to detail isn't being pressed as much today?
It was not a sin to bust a student on a phase check 30 years ago, but
today it seems like "everyone passes", just like some of our public
education systems.

Or could it be that we are seeing the results of students not focusing
on the task at hand and trying to do too many things at once during
their training?


Perhaps both of the above?

I frankly think that the FAA should require that instruction for the
IFR rating be done by CFII's who are IFR current. There are too many
CFII's out there not even able to accept an IFR clearance giving
primary IFR training. A lot of them may (or may not) have tons of
previous IFR experience. But really, it is real world IFR flying where
you pick up the ATC experience. And it is experience with ATC that is
the bottleneck with IFR flight. If you listen to hangar talk from
recent IFR flights, the pilots are always talking about how ATC did
this and ATC did that.

Doug wrote:
I frankly think that the FAA should require that instruction for the
IFR rating be done by CFII's who are IFR current. There are too many
CFII's out there not even able to accept an IFR clearance giving
primary IFR training. A lot of them may (or may not) have tons of
previous IFR experience. But really, it is real world IFR flying where
you pick up the ATC experience. And it is experience with ATC that is
the bottleneck with IFR flight. If you listen to hangar talk from
recent IFR flights, the pilots are always talking about how ATC did
this and ATC did that.


The FAA doesn't really care about the quality of light aircraft
instruction. The organization is in over its head trying to keep an eye
on commercial operators and also manage an unwieldy airspace system.

Doug wrote
I frankly think that the FAA should require that instruction for the
IFR rating be done by CFII's who are IFR current.

Well....first off Doug, it's not an "IFR" rating, just an "Instrument
Rating", often broken down into categories such as "Instrument-Airplane
Rating".

Bob Moore
Flight Instructor, Instrument Airplane

Big Deal

On Jan 26, 7:14 am, Bob Moore wrote:
Doug wrote

I frankly think that the FAA should require that instruction for the
IFR rating be done by CFII's who are IFR current.Well....first off Doug, it's not an "IFR" rating, just an "Instrument
Rating", often broken down into categories such as "Instrument-Airplane
Rating".

Bob Moore
Flight Instructor, Instrument Airplane

Bob Moore wrote:
Doug wrote

I frankly think that the FAA should require that instruction for the
IFR rating be done by CFII's who are IFR current.


Well....first off Doug, it's not an "IFR" rating, just an "Instrument
Rating", often broken down into categories such as "Instrument-Airplane
Rating".

Most airline pilots don't have an instrument rating.