First-hand video of a BRS deployment.

Maybe they know it's you and they blocked your address?

Are they cowards or smart?

Viperdoc writes:

Maybe they know it's you and they blocked your address?

It happens on every other computer I've tried, too.

Are they cowards or smart?

Cowards. Like most Americans these days.

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Good one. How many French are in any sort of armed conflict (right or
wrong) around the world? I wouldn't consider anyone in the military as
being a coward, U.S. or otherwise. Watch the news sometime...or don't
they offer those channels in France?

Mxsmanic wrote:

Viperdoc writes:


Maybe they know it's you and they blocked your address?


It happens on every other computer I've tried, too.


Are they cowards or smart?


Cowards. Like most Americans these days.

Scott writes:

Good one.

I don't consider a loss of civil liberties due to cowardice to be good.

How many French are in any sort of armed conflict (right or
wrong) around the world?

I don't know. How is that relevant?

I wouldn't consider anyone in the military as being a coward, U.S.
or otherwise.

I was talking about the civilian population.

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OK I'll bite. I will answer each of your questions below (where you
wrote your questions)

Mxsmanic wrote:

Scott writes:


Good one.


I don't consider a loss of civil liberties due to cowardice to be good.

This one I can't answer. How are any loss of liberties atrributable to
cowardice of the USAF as you claim? Maybe you mean the loss of
liberties because of terrorist attacks and the knee jerk reactions that
ensue to "protect lives"? With that, I would agree that it is not good
to exchange liberties for security. But, that's just how I feel.


How many French are in any sort of armed conflict (right or
wrong) around the world?


I don't know. How is that relevant?

Cowards would not be in armed conflicts, therefore if the French are not
in armed conflicts, they themselves could be called cowards. Air Force
folks are in armed conflicts, so how would you consider them cowards?


I wouldn't consider anyone in the military as being a coward, U.S.
or otherwise.


I was talking about the civilian population.

So why do you say the Air Force is cowardly for not letting YOU see
their site? They are military, not civilian. Now it sounds like you
are squirming to change your argument.

Scott writes:

This one I can't answer. How are any loss of liberties atrributable to
cowardice of the USAF as you claim?

That's not what I claimed. The loss of civil liberties is attributable to
cowardice in the population in general.

Maybe you mean the loss of
liberties because of terrorist attacks and the knee jerk reactions that
ensue to "protect lives"?

In part, yes.

With that, I would agree that it is not good
to exchange liberties for security. But, that's just how I feel.

That's how the founders of the country felt, too, as well as a couple of
million people who fought to protect those liberties.

Cowards would not be in armed conflicts ...

Wise men wouldn't be in armed conflicts, either.

... therefore if the French are not
in armed conflicts, they themselves could be called cowards.

So anyone who isn't violent and fighting is a coward?

Air Force
folks are in armed conflicts, so how would you consider them cowards?

They don't let people visit their Web sites. They must be afraid of
something.

So why do you say the Air Force is cowardly for not letting YOU see
their site?

Because I don't see any other reason for blocking it.

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That's how I took it.

You claim the USAF shows cowardice. You claim loss of liberties is
attributable to cowardice. Therefore the loss of liberties is
attributable to the USAF.

Mxsmanic wrote:

Scott writes:


This one I can't answer. How are any loss of liberties atrributable to
cowardice of the USAF as you claim?


That's not what I claimed. The loss of civil liberties is attributable to
cowardice in the population in general.


Maybe you mean the loss of
liberties because of terrorist attacks and the knee jerk reactions that
ensue to "protect lives"?


In part, yes.


With that, I would agree that it is not good
to exchange liberties for security. But, that's just how I feel.


That's how the founders of the country felt, too, as well as a couple of
million people who fought to protect those liberties.

Yes, they FOUGHT, so they weren't cowards.


Cowards would not be in armed conflicts ...


Wise men wouldn't be in armed conflicts, either.

Maybe true, but if an enemy is dumb (un WISE) and comes fighting, can
you supply an example of an alternative to fighting?


... therefore if the French are not
in armed conflicts, they themselves could be called cowards.


So anyone who isn't violent and fighting is a coward?

No, not necessarily. I was just saying that cowards won't fight. Smart
people MIGHT fight if cornered.


Air Force
folks are in armed conflicts, so how would you consider them cowards?


They don't let people visit their Web sites. They must be afraid of
something.

No, it appears they won't let ONE person (you imply many with the word
people -- which is plural for person) see their site. Show me an
example of someone else who can't view their site.


So why do you say the Air Force is cowardly for not letting YOU see
their site?


Because I don't see any other reason for blocking it.
Again, it appears they only have one address blocked and it happens to be yours. Cite references to others who share your problem.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Scott writes:
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So why do you say the Air Force is cowardly for not letting YOU see
their site?

Because I don't see any other reason for blocking it.

Perhaps they just want to be selective as to whom they allow access.
If you came to my front door and demanded entry would you call me a
coward if I deny you entry?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Scott wrote:
Good one. How many French are in any sort of armed conflict (right or
wrong) around the world? I wouldn't consider anyone in the military as
being a coward, U.S. or otherwise. Watch the news sometime...or don't
they offer those channels in France?

Mxsmanic wrote:

Viperdoc writes:


Maybe they know it's you and they blocked your address?


It happens on every other computer I've tried, too.


Are they cowards or smart?


Cowards. Like most Americans these days.


Um, Scott? The French have a long and generally honourable military
history.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

I thought the implication was they were smart and wouldn't take up
fighting (which would be evidenced by that military history). Maybe I
misunderstood the Frenchman's posts...

Scott



Dan wrote:

Scott wrote:

Good one. How many French are in any sort of armed conflict (right or
wrong) around the world? I wouldn't consider anyone in the military
as being a coward, U.S. or otherwise. Watch the news sometime...or
don't they offer those channels in France?

Mxsmanic wrote:

Viperdoc writes:


Maybe they know it's you and they blocked your address?



It happens on every other computer I've tried, too.


Are they cowards or smart?



Cowards. Like most Americans these days.


Um, Scott? The French have a long and generally honourable military
history.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired