Low fuel emergency in DFW

I'm not saying that ATC didn't have a problem, but by the same token, it is
also unacceptable for the pilot to continue to his destination after he
declared an emergency to avoid the delays and hassles of diverting to a
closer airport.

Mike Schumann

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:06:39 -0800, Brian wrote
(in article . com):

An emergency exists when the pilot declares it; the ATC perspective is
irrelevant from that point.

Not at all true. If ATC's perspective is that a 767 on short final for
runway 35 will not be able Go Around or Clear the Runway with out
creating a collision hazard with the Emergency aircraft landing runway
17, then ATC has every right to deny the pilot runway 17.

If runway 17 was the pilots only option then he need to let ATC know
that.

The Pilot had every right to request it.
ATC had every right to deny it. (in this case it ended here)

Nonsense. The pilot declared low fuel. He is in command of the aircraft.
ATC
had no right to deny anything, especially for the stated reason that it
"might delay some flights," which comes across as downright frivolous.


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"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
.. .
Which gets us back the the real question - If you have an unexplained fuel
shortage and suspect a leak, why aren't you landing at the closest
airport? Not only do you have an issue with running out of fuel, but leaks
are a serious fire hazard.

Mike Schumann

Which airport would that have been?

Allen

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
.. .
I'm not saying that ATC didn't have a problem, but by the same token, it
is also unacceptable for the pilot to continue to his destination after he
declared an emergency to avoid the delays and hassles of diverting to a
closer airport.

Mike Schumann

He was over Bonham VOR, 81 miles out probably descending through about
13,000 - 15,000 ft msl traveling 4-5 miles/minute. Where would you land?
What were the weather conditions?

Allen wrote:


He was over Bonham VOR, 81 miles out probably descending through about
13,000 - 15,000 ft msl traveling 4-5 miles/minute. Where would you
land? What were the weather conditions?

KTKI has 7000 feet of runway, KADS had 7200 feet of runway. Both were in his
flight path.

("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
He was over Bonham VOR, 81 miles out probably descending through about
13,000 - 15,000 ft msl traveling 4-5 miles/minute. Where would you land?
What were the weather conditions?

KTKI has 7000 feet of runway, KADS had 7200 feet of runway. Both were in
his flight path.


If he had an engine on fire or smoke in the cockpit, would he have continued
on to DFW, or chosen KTKI or KADS?


Montblack

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Allen wrote:


He was over Bonham VOR, 81 miles out probably descending through about
13,000 - 15,000 ft msl traveling 4-5 miles/minute. Where would you
land? What were the weather conditions?


KTKI has 7000 feet of runway, KADS had 7200 feet of runway. Both were in his
flight path.




I believe you normally cross Bonham at 11K and near KTKI you are around
6K and going down.

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Regards, Ross
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KSWI

"d&tm" wrote in message
...

yet how many pilots here think they know more about ATC than the
controllers.


Many are absolutely convinced of it.

"Peter Dohm" wrote in message
news:j6DDh.16393$z6.4505@bigfe9...

This is not necessarily the correct place in the thread for this question,
but it is at least amoung the most recent.

I noticed that this incident actually occurred on or about August 31,
2006,
which was about six months ago--even though it has been a television news
item and also subject of debate on this news group over the past couple of
days.

My question is this: Does anyone here have a working link to either the
audio tape of the incident or a transcript of the tape?

My justification for asking is that "phraseology" is a frequent topic of
lecture and discussion at Wings Seminars, and I and curious as to what was
actually said. IFAIK, there only two or three ways to say "emergency"
plus
one additional way to say "fuel critical"--none of which were specifically
quoted in any of the links which I was able to find.


ABC news played the tapes in their report. The pilot used the word
"emergency" to declare that he had an emergency.

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
.. .

I'm not saying that ATC didn't have a problem, but by the same token, it
is also unacceptable for the pilot to continue to his destination after he
declared an emergency to avoid the delays and hassles of diverting to a
closer airport.


What closer airport?

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
.. .

Depending on where the 747 was, it could take a minute or more to get it
off the runway.

So not very long at all.