Low fuel emergency in DFW

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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It isn't just the traffic ON the runway, but the traffic in
the air within many miles that has to go somewher

They don't have to go far. One minute after a 10 degree heading they would
be out of the way.

Danny Deger

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Ross wrote:
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Let's face it. ATC screwed up and so did the pilot. When ATC offered him
vectors to two closer airports (and I have no idea if they were the two I
mentioned above) and he refused them ATC probably decided it wasn't as
much of an emergency as one might think.

We all know he refused them to lessen the impact (bad word to use) on the
airlines schedule for the rest of the day.

The tape clearly indicates the pilot suspected a fuel leak which means fire
hazard. The other airports are MUCH smaller than DFW and don't have as much
emergency support on the ground. I don't blame the pilots for wanting DFW.

Danny Deger

"The Visitor" wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote:
The pilot declared low fuel.

Well that's it then isn't it. That allowed him to get priority handling
with no fruther delays. And that's what he got.


No he didn't.



Pilots still are shy about saying something is an emergency, but a low
fuel declaration is something specific and not an emergency(yet).


This one wasn't shy, this one declared an emergency.

"Danny Deger" wrote in message
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This is an excellent point. In this case the pilot would need to tell ATC
"unable" on the other two runways and tell them the straight-in to 17 is
required.


He did.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Danny Deger writes:

Also, on my solo flight of a T-38 at Reese AFB, I had a compressor stall
on
climb out. I declared an emergency on and asked for a vector back to
base.
I was initially kind of ****ed off because I was told to maintain current
heading.

You don't have to do that if you've declared an emergency.

A compressor stall in a two engine airplane was not seviour enough to blow
off IFR separation from other aircraft if I had been IMC. At least that was
the decision I made at the time. If I had been on fire, I would have turned
then told the controller I had turned.

I used to own a Bonanza and if was VMC I would often "Cancel IFR" if I was
being vector all over the place or if VFR and being vectored all over the
place I would "Cancel Radar Service". Those are two very powerful
statements that you don't need an emergency to use.

Danny Deger

I don't think you understand the complexity of the airspace
around DFW, with arrival gates, departure corridors,
multiple runways.

It is not a 1 minute or a two minute exercise to "clear the
airspace" neither does a 10° heading change create legal
separation in one minute.


"Danny Deger" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
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| It isn't just the traffic ON the runway, but the traffic
in
| the air within many miles that has to go somewher
|
| They don't have to go far. One minute after a 10 degree
heading they would
| be out of the way.
|
| Danny Deger
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|
|

neither does a 10° heading change create legal
separation in one minute.

Legal separation is nice, but in an emergency, I'll settle for anything
that doesn't bend metal.

Jose
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That is not an option for all the other airplanes or ATC.



"Jose" wrote in message
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| neither does a 10° heading change create legal
| separation in one minute.
|
| Legal separation is nice, but in an emergency, I'll settle
for anything
| that doesn't bend metal.
|
| Jose
| --
| Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a
deep need to
| follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob.
Whosoever fully
| understands this holds the world in his hands.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

That is not an option for all the other airplanes or ATC.

Yes it it.

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Exactly!!!!!

Exactly what?



MB made the point that had the aircraft been on fire that the pilot
probably wouldn't have bypassed the other two airports.