Instrument departure, non-IFR airport

On Mar 2, 8:41 am, Sam Spade wrote:
wrote:

Some specfics will be helpful now: the airport is Flabob, KRIR, field
elevation 764 MSL. I spoke with several folks and each seemed to
have a different take. The TRACON controller was the most helpful/
sympathetic; he told me his Minimum Vectoring Altitude in that area is
3200 [in addition to a small hill off the departure end of RWY 24
there are taller rocks to the North].

Runway 24 takes you into the KRAL Class D almost immediately. I am sure
no one likes that when they can't see you.

Runway 6 is pointed towards terrain that causes the MVA to rise to 4000
quite close-in. The airport is in a terrible location both airspace and
terrain-wise for IFR procedures. If you takeoff on 6 not only do you
have a terrain problem there is an issue of the Ontario Class C with a
floor of 2700 in that area, below any MVA.

The issue witih KRAL is a non-issue as far as my question is
concerned. There are many cases in which multiple towered airports
are near each other and you can still get an IFR departure; both
Northern and Southern California have many examples: SFO and SQL, HWD
and OAK, SJC and RHV, HHR and LAX. The TRACON works it out; that is
part of their job.

Regarding terrain: I'm talking about a departure off 24 with a
ceiling high enough to see and avoid all obstacles which, in any
event, is not or should not be ATC's issue. I don't think either of
these concerns is the cause of the issue here.

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The issue witih KRAL is a non-issue as far as my question is
concerned. There are many cases in which multiple towered airports
are near each other and you can still get an IFR departure; both
Northern and Southern California have many examples: SFO and SQL, HWD
and OAK, SJC and RHV, HHR and LAX. The TRACON works it out; that is
part of their job.

Apples and Oranges. All those close-by airports have OPDs and in some
cases, radar coverage to the ground.

Regarding terrain: I'm talking about a departure off 24 with a
ceiling high enough to see and avoid all obstacles which, in any
event, is not or should not be ATC's issue. I don't think either of
these concerns is the cause of the issue here.

ATC does not know what ceiling you may elect on your hip-pocket ODP, nor
would they care. Their concern is airspace. They cannot coordinate a
procedure that is neither established nor flight inspected.

On Mar 2, 11:39 am, Sam Spade wrote:

ATC does not know what ceiling you may elect on your hip-pocket ODP, nor
would they care. Their concern is airspace. They cannot coordinate a
procedure that is neither established nor flight inspected.


Nor do they have to.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

On Mar 2, 11:39 am, Sam Spade wrote:

ATC does not know what ceiling you may elect on your hip-pocket ODP, nor
would they care. Their concern is airspace. They cannot coordinate a
procedure that is neither established nor flight inspected.



Nor do they have to.


You should look at the airport and airspace at issue.

On Mar 2, 12:40 pm, Sam Spade wrote:

You should look at the airport and airspace at issue.


I did.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

On Mar 2, 12:40 pm, Sam Spade wrote:

You should look at the airport and airspace at issue.



I did.


Do you know where the closest SCT ASR antenna is to the OP's airport?

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Do you know where the closest SCT ASR antenna is to the OP's airport?


I could easily find out if I needed to. But I don't need to.