City controlled airspace?

On 2007-04-18 13:07:36 -0700, "Steven P. McNicoll"
said:


"ZikZak" wrote in message
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You have a student pilot certificate, don't you? There's no such thing
as a "licensed pilot," but a solo student pilot is properly
certificated to fly an airplane.


Is an airman certificate not formal permission from a governmental
authority to do something?

Of course it is. Some of these guys try to define 'license' so narrowly
that it loses all meaning. They are wrong, the certificate represents a
license to fly, and all the howling in the world will not change the
fact.
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Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Apr 18, 2:10 pm, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2007-04-18 13:07:36 -0700, "Steven P. McNicoll"
said:



"ZikZak" wrote in message
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You have a student pilot certificate, don't you? There's no such thing
as a "licensed pilot," but a solo student pilot is properly
certificated to fly an airplane.

Is an airman certificate not formal permission from a governmental
authority to do something?

Of course it is. Some of these guys try to define 'license' so narrowly
that it loses all meaning. They are wrong, the certificate represents a
license to fly, and all the howling in the world will not change the
fact.

Um, dude. I call it a certificate because that's what it's called on
the ticket and in the regs. Are the regs wrong then?

"ZikZak" wrote in message
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Um, dude. I call it a certificate because that's what it's called on
the ticket and in the regs. Are the regs wrong then?


A certificate cannot be a license?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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A certificate cannot be a license?

What difference does it make. As long it's accepted for pilot privledges, I
don't care what they call it.

Kind of like the difference between the Sheriff's Office, and the Sheriff's
Department.

"Maxwell" wrote in message
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What difference does it make.

You'd have to ask ZikZak.

On Apr 18, 3:32 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
"ZikZak" wrote in message

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Um, dude. I call it a certificate because that's what it's called on
the ticket and in the regs. Are the regs wrong then?

A certificate cannot be a license?

I don't know. I'm not a lawyer.

But I guess I am an LFI.

"ZikZak" wrote in message
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I don't know. I'm not a lawyer.


Then what's your point?

On Apr 18, 3:53 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
"ZikZak" wrote in message

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I don't know. I'm not a lawyer.

Then what's your point?

That under Dallas ordiance 5-24, the OP student pilot is okay to start
his engine.

On Apr 18, 6:00 pm, ZikZak wrote:

That under Dallas ordiance 5-24, the OP student pilot is okay to start
his engine.


Because a student pilot is a licensed pilot?

ZikZak wrote:
On Apr 18, 3:32 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

"ZikZak" wrote in message

groups.com...




Um, dude. I call it a certificate because that's what it's called on
the ticket and in the regs. Are the regs wrong then?

A certificate cannot be a license?


I don't know. I'm not a lawyer.

But I guess I am an LFI.

cer·tif·i·cate /n. sərˈtɪfɪkɪt; v. sərˈtɪfɪˌkeɪt/ Pronunciation Key
- Show Spelled Pronunciation[n. ser-tif-i-kit; v. ser-tif-i-keyt]
Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -cat·ed, -cat·ing.
–noun 1. a document serving as evidence or as written testimony, as of
status, qualifications, privileges, or the truth of something.
2. a document attesting to the fact that a person has completed an
educational course, issued either by an institution not authorized to
grant diplomas, or to a student not qualifying for a diploma.
3. Law. a statement, written and signed, which is by law made evidence
of the truth of the facts stated, for all or for certain purposes.
4. Finance. a. gold certificate.
b. silver certificate.

–verb (used with object) 5. to furnish with or authorize by a certificate.
6. to issue an official certificate attesting to the training, aptitude,
and qualification of: to certificate a teacher.


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[Origin: 1375–1425; late ME certificat ML certific�tum, n. use of
neut. of certific�tus certified (ptp. of certific�re), equiv. to
certific- (see certify) + -�tus -ate1]


li·cense /ˈlaɪsəns/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[lahy-suhns] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun, verb, -censed, -cens·ing.
–noun 1. formal permission from a governmental or other constituted
authority to do something, as to carry on some business or profession.
2. a certificate, tag, plate, etc., giving proof of such permission;
official permit: a driver's license.
3. permission to do or not to do something.
4. intentional deviation from rule, convention, or fact, as for the sake
of literary or artistic effect: poetic license.
5. exceptional freedom allowed in a special situation.
6. excessive or undue freedom or liberty.
7. licentiousness.
8. the legal right to use a patent owned by another.
–verb (used with object) 9. to grant authoritative permission or license
to.


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[Origin: 1325–75; ME licence MF ML licentia authorization, L:
freedom, equiv. to licent- (s. of licéns, prp. of licére to be allowed)
+ -ia -ia; see -ence]


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