interesting moment yesterday on final

Mike 'Flyin'8' wrote:
Mike 'Flyin'8' wrote:


I have always (though my flying career is still quite young) entered
on the 45. If I have to go out of my way to enter on the 45, that I
what I do.

I never do, unless my direction from the airport lends an entry on the
downwind. Fly past the airport just so I can get on a 45? You must be
joking.


No. I am not joking. How do you enter the pattern?


The most expeditious way possible. Find a hole and fill it.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Mike 'Flyin'8' wrote:

I have always (though my flying career is still quite young) entered
on the 45. If I have to go out of my way to enter on the 45, that I
what I do.


I never do, unless my direction from the airport lends an entry on the
downwind. Fly past the airport just so I can get on a 45? You must be
joking.
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Isn't that what the upwind leg is for?

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601XL Builder wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Judah" wrote in message
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If he was IFR, ATC would have probably informed him there was traffic
in the pattern at his destination and might have tried to wait until
he had a visual before allowing him to change frequency.


If ATC was showing traffic at his destination he should have been
advised of that before frequency change, but the frequency change
shouldn't be delayed.



If ATC can show traffic at the destination. Where I fly, KELD Ft Worth
center can't see anything below 2000 feet. The Traffic pattern is half
that.


If ATC can't see the traffic, I can't imagine they would delay frequency
change, though...

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Erik" wrote in message
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RomeoMike wrote:
Maybe Erik was being sarcastic?

Exactly my point. I can understand some big jet or something that
can't fly the same pattern the little 150 flies, so I'll
accommodate them. If some other 150 comes in and wants to straight
in and and there's already people in the pattern, get in line, pal,
or wait until there's nobody to disrupt to practice long finals.

My apologies. I'm usually pretty good at "getting" sarcastic, but I sure
missed it this time.

I have a real sore spot for the people that charge all of the way up to
the barrels (on the interstates) to crowd into line, where there are lanes
closed down, too.
--
Jim in NC

Me too. Somehow, they never manage to merge in front of me. No idea why...
;-)

KB

"Kyle Boatright" wrote

Me too. Somehow, they never manage to merge in front of me. No idea
why...

I've been know to do the rolling roadblock bit, on occasion.

I remember the rule of the older car always wins. Mine is 10 years old with
200 thousand on it. I win!
--
Jim in NC

Neither of you specified the runway?

"Erik" wrote in message
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I had an opportunity to go head to head with someone
once. I was in the established pattern, there were about
3 or 4 of us. I called my turn to base. Shortly after,
this guy announces base.

I'm looking around like my head was detached from my body.
I called and asked if he really had announced base because
I can't find anyone. He never answers.

I'm still looking and turn final. I announce my position
and he announces final.

Lo and behold, there he is, about a mile away from me coming
from the opposite direction. I move over to the right a bit
and stop my descent. Someone told him that he was opposite
the calm wind runway. He announces he's leaving the area and
splits.

I go around and do it all again.

(Note to self: Remember that yours isn't the only pattern,
there's another on the other runway)

"Erik" wrote in message
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Exactly my point. I can understand some big jet or something that
can't fly the same pattern the little 150 flies, so I'll
accommodate them. If some other 150 comes in and wants to straight
in and and there's already people in the pattern, get in line, pal,
or wait until there's nobody to disrupt to practice long finals.


An aircraft on final has the right-of-way, big jet or 150.

"Mike 'Flyin'8'" wrote in message
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That is a simplistic view of things. Yes it is disrupting, and yes I
would make room. Even if it is not the "right way" of doing things.
I have always (though my flying career is still quite young) entered
on the 45. If I have to go out of my way to enter on the 45, that I
what I do. Would I cut someone off on a disruptive straight in, no.
Are they in the wrong, IMHO yes they are, but I can't argue about it
if I am dead.


It is the "right way" of doing things, straight-ins are not disruptive.

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WEEEeeeeellll, come to think of it......yeah. Yeah, that pretty much
sums it up, for the most part. There being exceptions and all.

If you come to the playground, you should make nice with everyone
instead of telling them to all hold off, now that you're here and
all. Especially since some of them might not have radios.


Those already at the playground should make nice by properly accommodating
the aircraft on the straight-in approach.

"Mike 'Flyin'8'" wrote in message
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No matter how you want to look at it, if there are already some planes
in the pattern a straight-in approach is disruptive.


No more than entering on a 45 degree turn to downwind is.