interesting moment yesterday on final

Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:

On Jun 7, 6:30 am, "Neil Gould" wrote:
Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:

Oh? When was this added to the Private Knowledge Test or Practical?


I don't know, but I suspect it was quite some time ago. I'll try to
find out.

Do that. It hasn't been.

Title 14: Aeronautics and Space

PART 61-CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND
INSTRUCTORS

§ 61.105 Aeronautical knowledge.

(a) General. A person who is applying for a private pilot certificate
must receive and log ground training from an authorized instructor or
complete a home-study course on the aeronautical knowledge areas of
paragraph (b) of this section that apply to the aircraft category and
class rating sought.

(4) Use of aeronautical charts for VFR navigation using pilotage, dead
reckoning, and navigation systems;

(5) Radio communication procedures;

You do realize that NONE of the above involves IAPs, don't you?

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
t...

Do that. It hasn't been.


It's been required for more than sixty years. From "Digest of Civil Air
Regulations for Pilots", October 1943:


Requirements for Certification

Private Pilot Certificate

Aeronautical Knowledge

Applicant shall be familiar with and accomplish satisfactorily a written
examination covering so much of the provisions of Parts 01, 20, and 60 of
the regulations as are pertinent to his certificate, prevailing weather
conditions in the United States as encountered in flying, and the
forecasting thereof, the analyzing of weather maps and sequence reports as
furnished by the United States Weather Bureau, practical air navigation
problems and the use of maps, navigation by terrain (pilotage) and by dead
reckoning, including the use of instruments and other aids to navigation in
visual contact flying, and the general servicing and operation of aircraft.

Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
t...

Do that. It hasn't been.


It's been required for more than sixty years. From "Digest of Civil
Air Regulations for Pilots", October 1943:

Applicant shall be familiar with and accomplish satisfactorily a
written examination covering so much of the provisions of Parts 01,
20, and 60 of the regulations as are pertinent to his certificate,
prevailing weather conditions in the United States as encountered in
flying, and the forecasting thereof, the analyzing of weather maps
and sequence reports as furnished by the United States Weather
Bureau, practical air navigation problems and the use of maps,
navigation by terrain (pilotage) and by dead reckoning, including the
use of instruments and other aids to navigation in visual contact
flying, and the general servicing and operation of aircraft.

You do realize that NONE of the above pertains to IAPs, don't you?

What parts of "...pertinent to his certificate...", or "...visual contact
flying..." confuses you so badly?

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
et...

You do realize that NONE of the above pertains to IAPs, don't you?

What parts of "...pertinent to his certificate...", or "...visual contact
flying..." confuses you so badly?


It is you that is confused. Jose asked, "How many newly minted VFR pilots
even know how to read an approach plate?" I responded, "Every newly minted
VFR pilot should be able to identify the fixes in the plan view of an IAP."
If one has the knowledge of aeronautical charts required by FAR 61.105 then
one has the knowledge to examine the legend and plan views of IAPs in a TPP
and determine the locations of FAFs.

Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
et...

You do realize that NONE of the above pertains to IAPs, don't you?

What parts of "...pertinent to his certificate...", or "...visual
contact flying..." confuses you so badly?


It is you that is confused. Jose asked, "How many newly minted VFR
pilots even know how to read an approach plate?" I responded, "Every
newly minted VFR pilot should be able to identify the fixes in the
plan view of an IAP." If one has the knowledge of aeronautical charts
required by FAR 61.105 then one has the knowledge to examine the
legend and plan views of IAPs in a TPP and determine the locations of
FAFs.

My question to YOU was when the ability to understand IAPs was added to
the Private Knowledge or Practical tests? The fact is that it is NOT a
part of the requirements for a Private certificate. The direct route to
realizing that fact is to simply read the published requirements. They are
not secret documents. So, your references to irrelevant regs (twice, no
less) is clearly an indication that you are quite confused about the
requirements and expected abilities of private pilots.

Neil

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
t...

My question to YOU was when the ability to understand IAPs was added to
the Private Knowledge or Practical tests? The fact is that it is NOT a
part of the requirements for a Private certificate. The direct route to
realizing that fact is to simply read the published requirements. They are
not secret documents. So, your references to irrelevant regs (twice, no
less) is clearly an indication that you are quite confused about the
requirements and expected abilities of private pilots.


That was NOT your question to me. I stated, "Every newly minted VFR pilot
should be able to identify the fixes in the plan view of an IAP. Your
question in response was, "Oh? When was this added to the Private Knowledge
Test or Practical?" The fact that you don't know what you asked is a clear
indication that it is you that is confused.

Recently, Steven P. McNicoll posted:

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
t...

My question to YOU was when the ability to understand IAPs was added
to the Private Knowledge or Practical tests? The fact is that it is
NOT a part of the requirements for a Private certificate. The direct
route to realizing that fact is to simply read the published
requirements. They are not secret documents. So, your references to
irrelevant regs (twice, no less) is clearly an indication that you
are quite confused about the requirements and expected abilities of
private pilots.


That was NOT your question to me. I stated, "Every newly minted VFR
pilot should be able to identify the fixes in the plan view of an
IAP. Your question in response was, "Oh? When was this added to the
Private Knowledge Test or Practical?" The fact that you don't know
what you asked is a clear indication that it is you that is confused.

My question to you had to do with the basis for your assumption.
Specifically, what in the Practical or Knowledge Tests -- the ONLY
requirements for becoming "a newly minted VFR pilot" -- assures that your
assumption is valid. Since there is no requirement that a "...newly minted
VFR pilot..." has even SEEN an IAP, your assumption is not reasonable.

Neil