interesting moment yesterday on final

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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There's the sectional for my home airport KELD. Please let me know from
this section where the fixes are ann what there names are.


That cannot be determined from a sectional. You have to examine the IAP
charts to find the FAFs, they're free online at several sites. I use
www.aeroplanner.com.

The IAPs, FAFs, and the distances from FAF to threshold for KELD a

ILS or LOC RWY 22 LADOS LOM 5.2
RNAV RWY 4 WOSDO 4.6
RNAV RWY 22 ODIRY 5.2
VOR/DME RWY 4 CHIPP 3.5
VOR RWY 22 ELD VORTAC 3.5


The only one that's published on the sectional is El Dorado VORTAC, but you
can easily add the others.

That cannot be determined from a sectional. You have to examine the IAP
charts to find the FAFs, they're free online at several sites.

So now, in a busy pattern, the pilot, after hearing that somebody or
other is "at CHIPP inbound", turns his head away from the window and
down at his sectional to fail to find CHIPP. He then reaches into his
flight bag and pulls out the approach plate book. No, not that one,
this one. Ok, we're at South Arkansas Regional/Goodwin. Is it filed
under Goodwin, or under South Arkansas? Or maybe under El Dorado, the
nearest town. Flip flip. Ok, found it. Examine the ILS 22. Nope.
Not there. Now look at the RNAV 4. No joy. How about the RNAV 22.
There it is... nope. Misread it. How about the VOR 4... here it is.
CHIPP. Now, where is it in real life; there isn't a scale of miles.
How about down here in the plan view... ok 3.5 miles from the....

At this point our pilot acquires the aircraft visually, as its left
wingtip pierces the cockpit.

I have a much better idea. Give position reports in latitude and
longitude. That's readily available on the sectional, and easily
determined from the GPS.

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So now, in a busy pattern, the pilot, after hearing that somebody or other
is "at CHIPP inbound", turns his head away from the window and down at his
sectional to fail to find CHIPP. He then reaches into his flight bag and
pulls out the approach plate book. No, not that one, this one. Ok, we're
at South Arkansas Regional/Goodwin. Is it filed under Goodwin, or under
South Arkansas? Or maybe under El Dorado, the nearest town. Flip flip.
Ok, found it. Examine the ILS 22. Nope. Not there. Now look at the RNAV
4. No joy. How about the RNAV 22. There it is... nope. Misread it. How
about the VOR 4... here it is. CHIPP. Now, where is it in real life;
there isn't a scale of miles. How about down here in the plan view... ok
3.5 miles from the....


No, smart pilots already know where the fixes are. They obtained that
information during their flight planning.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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http://skyvector.com/#22-28-3-2358-2654

There's the sectional for my home airport KELD. Please let me know
from this section where the fixes are ann what there names are.


That cannot be determined from a sectional. You have to examine the
IAP charts to find the FAFs, they're free online at several sites. I
use www.aeroplanner.com.




So let's make this clear. It is your assertion that it is the duty of a
pilot flying, under VFR rules, to have the IAP charts with them or to have
them memorized?

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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So let's make this clear. It is your assertion that it is the duty of a
pilot flying, under VFR rules, to have the IAP charts with them or to have
them memorized?


No, I made no such assertion.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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So let's make this clear. It is your assertion that it is the duty
of a pilot flying, under VFR rules, to have the IAP charts with them
or to have them memorized?


No, I made no such assertion.

You most certainly did.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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You most certainly did.

If you believe I made an assertion that it is the duty of a pilot flying
under VFR to have the IAP charts with them or to have them memorized it
should be a simple matter for you to cite that assertion. Please do so.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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You most certainly did.

If you believe I made an assertion that it is the duty of a pilot
flying under VFR to have the IAP charts with them or to have them
memorized it should be a simple matter for you to cite that
assertion. Please do so.


You said...

"No, smart pilots already know where the fixes are. They obtained that
information during their flight planning."

How is one to do that without having the charts or memory?

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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You said...

"No, smart pilots already know where the fixes are. They obtained that
information during their flight planning."

How is one to do that without having the charts or memory?

One can choose to have the charts if they desire, they're free online and
can be printed. I don't do that myself. I just examine them to identify
the FAFs, then I go to Aeroplanner.Com. Select Smart Chart (Sectional/WAC)
under the Charts Menu. Select Fix/WPT or Navaid and enter the FAF. A black
plus sign will appear at the location of the FAF on the sectional image. I
transfer it by eyeball to my paper sectional write in the name. Simple and
quick. Here's an example that shows CHIPP, the FAF for the VOR/DME RWY 4
approach at KELD:

http://map.aeroplanner.com/mapping/c...=FIX&txt=chipp