Chinese (and other) pilots unable to speak English pose danger for air travel (CNN)

writes:

This matches with what I experienced recently. I was on the ground
aboard a United passenger flight from Brazil to the USA and listening
to the onboard channel 9 ATC to kill time. Except for the United and a
Lufthansa pilot also awaiting clearance to taxi, every other pilot was
talking Portuguese. The controllers spoke perfect ATC English but
switched to Portuguese for the local pilots. I was thinking this could
easily lead to a lack of situational awareness in a large airport like
Sao Paulo's.

You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.

On Jun 29, 1:09 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
This matches with what I experienced recently. I was on the ground
aboard a United passenger flight from Brazil to the USA and listening
to the onboard channel 9 ATC to kill time. Except for the United and a
Lufthansa pilot also awaiting clearance to taxi, every other pilot was
talking Portuguese. The controllers spoke perfect ATC English but
switched to Portuguese for the local pilots. I was thinking this could
easily lead to a lack of situational awareness in a large airport like
Sao Paulo's.

You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.

Boy are you clueless...

On Jun 29, 12:09 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
This matches with what I experienced recently. I was on the ground
aboard a United passenger flight from Brazil to the USA and listening
to the onboard channel 9 ATC to kill time. Except for the United and a
Lufthansa pilot also awaiting clearance to taxi, every other pilot was
talking Portuguese. The controllers spoke perfect ATC English but
switched to Portuguese for the local pilots. I was thinking this could
easily lead to a lack of situational awareness in a large airport like
Sao Paulo's.

You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.

You should try flying some time. There is a difference between
"minimum requirements" and "useful information".

-Robert

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In rec.aviation.piloting Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jun 29, 12:09 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:
This matches with what I experienced recently. I was on the ground
aboard a United passenger flight from Brazil to the USA and listening
to the onboard channel 9 ATC to kill time. Except for the United and a
Lufthansa pilot also awaiting clearance to taxi, every other pilot was
talking Portuguese. The controllers spoke perfect ATC English but
switched to Portuguese for the local pilots. I was thinking this could
easily lead to a lack of situational awareness in a large airport like
Sao Paulo's.

You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other than ATC,
so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency, there is a problem.

Pathetically clueless. Sometimes I feel I should pity you. But
you're wrong most to all of the time, so I don't; you deserve the
(negative) feedback you get for your mistakes.

You should try flying some time. There is a difference between
"minimum requirements" and "useful information".

He already mentioned that he doesn't want to step foot anywhere
inside a plane, but when is given the right information by pilots and
controllers here and other places, he argues that they are wrong.

Either way, back on topic. On the KLAS LiveATC feed today, a
pilot was having radio issues (carrier, no voice). ATC couldn't hear
him, but other pilots could. So ATC asked another pilot to relay what
ATC was asking him to do. That worked and through that proxy pilot, ATC
got that pilot back on the ground so he could work on the radio.

Plus, Anthony, 4 words. Common. Traffic. Advisory. Frequency.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Plus, Anthony, 4 words. Common. Traffic. Advisory. Frequency.

CTAF is not ATC.

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Plus, Anthony, 4 words. Common. Traffic. Advisory. Frequency.

CTAF is not ATC.

It doesn't need to be. Your exact quote:

You're not supposed to require any communication with anyone other
than ATC, so if you need to hear other pilots on the frequency,
there is a problem.

On the CTAF, you need to be able to be in communication with
everyone other than ATC, (meaning, hearing other pilots on frequency).
If you don't, there is a problem.

Threaded newsreaders, as well as USENET archives, are so fun
and easy to abuse.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

On the CTAF, you need to be able to be in communication with
everyone other than ATC, (meaning, hearing other pilots on frequency).

CTAF is not an ATC frequency.

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

On the CTAF, you need to be able to be in communication with
everyone other than ATC, (meaning, hearing other pilots on frequency).

CTAF is not an ATC frequency.

http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scan...o/govtuse.html

- --snip--
Aeronautical mobile service spectrum requirements are accommodated
mostly in the HF (3-23 MHz) and VHF (117.975-137 MHz) portion of the radio
spectrum. The VHF band provides the primary communications mode for Air
Traffic Service (ATS) and Aeronautical Operational Control (AOC) safety
communications for all areas of the world where radio line-of-sight
services can be established. In the United States, this band is used by
Federal Aviation Administration to provide ATS safety communications and
by users such as, the airlines, business aviation, and general aviation to
provide AOC safety communications.
- --snip--

This covers all frequencies reserved for air traffic and
control of such traffic, and implies that any of such frequencies can
and may be used for *air traffic control*. Furthermo

- --snip--
Each communications frequency is re-used as often as possible (due to the
fixed number of available frequencies) so that continuous coverage can be
established to support air traffic control systems.
- --snip--

You will find that all CTAFs for various fields are within the
above VHF range for such coverage for ATC systems. You will also find
that most CTAF frequencies at fields that close for the night also are
the Tower frequency for that field.

In short, you are wrong. But I'm pretty sure you will argue
that the information on that page is wrong, just like you do everything
else in this world. Oh, btw.. Humidity was 30% in Oklahoma City today,
and guess what.. it didn't rain!

BL.
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

On the CTAF, you need to be able to be in communication with
everyone other than ATC, (meaning, hearing other pilots on frequency).

CTAF is not an ATC frequency.


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Bertie

Why don't you go back to wherever you were for the past week and bother some
other people for a change?