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Old September 4th 07, 10:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sep 4, 4:20 pm, Tim Taylor wrote:
On Sep 4, 12:31 pm, Burt Compton - Marfa wrote:

See AIM Chapter 4, Air Traffic Control, Table 4-1-3 "Other Frequency
Usage Designated by the FCC". I'm looking at the 2007 ASA FAR/AIM
publication.


Quoting the FAA's Aeronautical Information Manual (AIM), 123.300 and
123.500 are listed for "Aviation Instruction, Glider, Hot Air Balloon
(not to be used for advisory service)."


Cindy Brickner at Caracole Soaring, California City, had a similar
issue with 123.3 recently and apparently got it resolved.


Cindy, over to you?


Burt Compton
Marfa, TX USA


Does anyone have the FAR section as well for this. We are having
similar problems with an FBO that serves business jets and they all
call in from 20K feet to let them know they will be in 20 minutes,
check on rental cars, etc. Spoke politely to the owner who I could
tell was going to do nothing so it is time to speak to the FSDO in the
region.

Tim


its not in the FAR's, the frequency assignment comes from the FCC.
FSDO would be a good place to start though, referencing the AIM
section that Burt mentions.

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Old September 5th 07, 10:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sep 4, 3:54 pm, wrote:



its not in the FAR's, the frequency assignment comes from the FCC.
FSDO would be a good place to start though, referencing the AIM
section that Burt mentions.


Thanks, I found the correct reference in the FCC code Part 87, subpart
K sections 87.319 and 87.323. It appears to be very specific that
what they FCC terms "portal-to-portal" service should not be occurring
on 123.3 or 123.5. I am beginning the process to work with the two
FBO's and the FCC to get them to change frequency of operations of air
to ground support operations. Both FBO's have used 123.3 and 123.5
for many years so it may not be easy, but if we don't work to hold on
to 123.3 and 123.5 we will be over run in the near future by jet
traffic setting up rental cars, fuel and catering.

I would love to hear Cindy's take on this and experiences she has had.

Tim

P.S. I know the UT, WY, MT and ID pilots are dealing with this, are
the Colorado pilots hearing the Bozeman, MT jet traffic (Yellowstone
Jet Center, 123.3 and Arlin's Aircraft Service, 123.5)?



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Old September 5th 07, 11:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Tim Taylor wrote:

P.S. I know the UT, WY, MT and ID pilots are dealing with this, are
the Colorado pilots hearing the Bozeman, MT jet traffic (Yellowstone
Jet Center, 123.3 and Arlin's Aircraft Service, 123.5)?


Not that I've heard, or heard of over Boulder. Bozeman and Yellowstone
pretty far over the horizon though.

Shawn
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Old September 6th 07, 12:23 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sep 5, 4:23 pm, shawn wrote:
Tim Taylor wrote:
P.S. I know the UT, WY, MT and ID pilots are dealing with this, are
the Colorado pilots hearing the Bozeman, MT jet traffic (Yellowstone
Jet Center, 123.3 and Arlin's Aircraft Service, 123.5)?


Not that I've heard, or heard of over Boulder. Bozeman and Yellowstone
pretty far over the horizon though.

Shawn


Boulder soaring pilots talk enough on 123.3 to keep everyone else
away;^) Then there's the drop zone in Longmont doing wind checks, and
Owl Canyon tows. Only jet traffic I recall is a soaring pilot
reporting on thermal height or checking on ops. CSA uses 123.5 north
of I-80 pretty much.

Frank

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Old September 6th 07, 02:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Sep 5, 4:23 pm, shawn wrote:
Tim Taylor wrote:
P.S. I know the UT, WY, MT and ID pilots are dealing with this, are
the Colorado pilots hearing the Bozeman, MT jet traffic (Yellowstone
Jet Center, 123.3 and Arlin's Aircraft Service, 123.5)?

Not that I've heard, or heard of over Boulder. Bozeman and Yellowstone
pretty far over the horizon though.

Shawn


Boulder soaring pilots talk enough on 123.3 to keep everyone else
away;^)


How do you think we get thermals going before OC ;-)



Shawn
 




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