AVGAS 80 & MOGAS

On Oct 29, 6:31 pm, Helen wrote:
You need an STC. I have the EAA one.

I used to too. However, do you find many places that still has legal
autogas? In California it seems all the gas has the prohibited
ethanol. With the liberal states requiring ethanol to starve the
Mexicans from their tortillas and the midwester states requiring it to
boast their own pockets it doesn't seem like anyone is left with old
fashion, FAA approved, mogas.

-Robert

I used to too. However, do you find many places that still has legal
autogas? In California it seems all the gas has the prohibited
ethanol. With the liberal states requiring ethanol to starve the
Mexicans from their tortillas and the midwester states requiring it to
boast their own pockets it doesn't seem like anyone is left with old
fashion, FAA approved, mogas.

No problem getting unpolluted, ethanol free gas here in Iowa,
ironically the source of most ethanol.

Mary and I are about to pass 9,000 gallons of trouble-free mogas usage
in our Cherokee(s), all dispensed from our Mighty Grape fuel hauler.
At the current price differential of $2.25+ per gallon, using mogas
will have paid for my next engine...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Honeck"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: AVGAS 80 & MOGAS



No problem getting unpolluted, ethanol free gas here in Iowa,
ironically the source of most ethanol.



Yep.....Jay, every time I think about the corn states exporting their lousy
fuel to other states, and not using it locally, it tics me off. I put over
1500 hours on a Lyc with a Peterson STC, and that was the best fuel for that
engine.....bar none. The plugs were clean, the oil remained clean 2-3 times
longer etc. But alas....now mogas in our area all has alcohol, so now I
clean plugs and change oil more often......and of course pay the higher
price for 100LL. Oh well...

John Severyn
@KLVK Livermore, Ca.

Modesto CA still has legal mogas. THe catch is that they have to take it
8000 gallons at a time (full tanker load).

The alcohol is blended into the gasoline right at the tanker load spigot and
"mixed" with the tanker sloshing it all around on the trip to your local gas
station, so all they have to do is turn off the alcohol switch and the whole
damned load is alky free. But, as I said, you have to take a full tanker
load of it and most airports can't afford to do that.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Oct 29, 6:31 pm, Helen wrote:
You need an STC. I have the EAA one.

I used to too. However, do you find many places that still has legal
autogas? In California it seems all the gas has the prohibited
ethanol. With the liberal states requiring ethanol to starve the
Mexicans from their tortillas and the midwester states requiring it to
boast their own pockets it doesn't seem like anyone is left with old
fashion, FAA approved, mogas.

-Robert

"RST Engineering" wrote

But, as I said, you have to take a full tanker load of it and most
airports can't afford to do that.

Are they allowed to have two or three airports share a full load?
--
Jim in NC

Dunno.

Jim

--
"If you think you can, or think you can't, you're right."
--Henry Ford

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"RST Engineering" wrote

But, as I said, you have to take a full tanker load of it and most
airports can't afford to do that.

Are they allowed to have two or three airports share a full load?
--
Jim in NC

Jim

Most tankers have multiple tanks. For example a 8000 gallon tank truck
could have four 2000 gallon tanks. This lets them deliver smaller
amounts of gas to the small Stop & Go type stores that don't want to
invest the dollars in a full load all at one time.

The multiple tanker layout is also a safety feature so that if one
tank starts a leak only part of the load will get out (small possible
fire and clean up and less money lost). Also it lets the tanker carry
different grades of gas (reg, super, extra $ super) on one delivery to
a station.

So, I see no problem (from experience a number of years ago in the gas
business) of dropping less than the full tanker at different
locations.

Only thing might be cost of tanker charge for the extra distance and
time needed to hit several locations??? Also it assumes that several
airports all needed gas at same time so one tanker could hit them all
with the total load of 8000 gallons.

Have a nice day in the land of F's & N's. Only spent 7 wonderful years
flying out there before SF went to the 'F's' )

Big John

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:50:50 -0700, "RST Engineering"
wrote:

Dunno.

Jim

"Big John" wrote

Most tankers have multiple tanks. For example a 8000 gallon tank truck
could have four 2000 gallon tanks. This lets them deliver smaller
amounts of gas to the small Stop & Go type stores that don't want to
invest the dollars in a full load all at one time.

The multiple tanker layout is also a safety feature so that if one
tank starts a leak only part of the load will get out (small possible
fire and clean up and less money lost). Also it lets the tanker carry
different grades of gas (reg, super, extra $ super) on one delivery to
a station.

Also, it is VERY important to have dividers in a large tanker, so when you
are putzing about with a third of a load, that you don't have the whole load
shift to the front at one time, or back, or whatever.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:


Also, it is VERY important to have dividers in a large tanker, so when you
are putzing about with a third of a load, that you don't have the whole load
shift to the front at one time, or back, or whatever.

The tanks will have baffles in ADDITION to the tank segregation. Even
2000 gallons is more than you want to slosh around uncontrolled.