Shock! Hana's Diana 2 in service

On Dec 5, 8:03 pm, Udo wrote:

Look for example the ASW 27 and it wing surface problem.

Udo, you are the second person that used the ASW-27 as an example in
this thread, but I'm not sure what it is intended to be an example of.

Schleicher had wing deformation problems with both the ASW-27 and to a
lesser extent with the ASW-28. I know of no corrective action
provided by Schleicher and I know for a fact that Schleicher claimed
the deformation on the ASW-28 was cosmetic only.

So my understanding is that Schleicher did nothing to correct the
problem and there were many very unhappy owners.

Do you know something different?

Schleicher also delivered several ASW-28 with incorrect airbrake
rigging. That problem was eventually resolved by changing the wheel
brake actuating rod to a part with different slot dimensions. In this
case Schleicher provided good support and also provided replacement
parts at no cost.


Andy

My point was, a manufacture can weather a problem once,
simply because of its reputation. If it happens a second time the
customer will go with an other product.
In the case of the Diana it was critical to be proactive even if it
turns out that the manufacture was not at fault. The company has to
establish it self .

Maybe the analogy was not ideal as many pilots flew the 27 for years
and had the wings refinished if they were competitors. Many still
fly with the .005"plus shrinkage. I understand the gliders produced
after 2000 do not have that problem but this is just anecdotal.

Udo





On Dec 7, 9:57 am, Andy wrote:
On Dec 5, 8:03 pm, Udo wrote:

Look for example the ASW 27 and it wing surface problem.

Udo, you are the second person that used the ASW-27 as an example in
this thread, but I'm not sure what it is intended to be an example of.

Schleicher had wing deformation problems with both the ASW-27 and to a
lesser extent with the ASW-28. I know of no corrective action
provided by Schleicher and I know for a fact that Schleicher claimed
the deformation on the ASW-28 was cosmetic only.

So my understanding is that Schleicher did nothing to correct the
problem and there were many very unhappy owners.

Do you know something different?

Schleicher also delivered several ASW-28 with incorrect airbrake
rigging. That problem was eventually resolved by changing the wheel
brake actuating rod to a part with different slot dimensions. In this
case Schleicher provided good support and also provided replacement
parts at no cost.

Andy

On Dec 7, 2:03 am, Dan G wrote:
I wouldn't worry about SZD's reputation in the light of few long and
convulated threads on this newsgroup. Only a small subset of glider
pilots read here, and even fewer will have bothered trawling though
all the ranting and raving and vacuum of facts in the Diana 2-related
threads.

If the Diana 2 is not a sales success it will have more to do with it
being entered in a dying class of glider than anything else. There's a
reason why all the newest gliders on sale recently are 18 m.

Dan

Hi Dan,

Imagine what this designer could achieve if he decides to bring into
production 18m Diana. Far fetched? I don't think so. In addition, the
Diana 2 performance matches and in some cases exceeds 18m sailplane
performance. As you can see, he is not afraid of "un-orthodox"
designs, which is where the progress is being made. You forgot that
the Diana was designed in the late '80, and that would make it
technologically the most advanced glider of its time even when if
judged by today standard. Poland and SZD Bielsko had gliders designs
way ahead of its time. But don't take my word for it; take a look how
many gliders made in Poland won world contests, European contest and
how many world records were established in Polish gliders and flown by
Polish pilots such as Edward Makula, Jan Wroblewski, Franek Kepka. Do
you want me to tell you what happened in Junin, Argentina or Marfa, TX
and it continues today? That info is available at www.fai.org and also
look at the Alexander Schleicher web site and learn something, because
those guys are not afraid of telling the truth about who flies what.
Poland in soaring is the power to recon with!!!! Period. By showing
the prejudice, arrogance and lack of knowledge about Polish gliders
and pilots you are not helping anyone in the US. The gap is only
becoming wider.

Jacek
Pasco, WA

On Dec 8, 6:35 am, ASM wrote:
By showing
the prejudice, arrogance and lack of knowledge about Polish gliders
and pilots you are not helping anyone in the US. The gap is only
becoming wider.

Be calm, my friend.

1) I'm not in the US. This newsgroup is international.

2) I love Polish gliders. I think they're great. I have little time
for many German gliders - often over-priced and trading more on their
brand than their actual performance (not unlike BMW and Mercedes
cars).

No, I'm merely pointing out that the Diana is aimed at the smallest
and weakest market in soaring, so don't expect many to be sold.


Dan

Dan G wrote:
No, I'm merely pointing out that the Diana is aimed at the smallest
and weakest market in soaring,

You mean World Class? 8^)

On Dec 7, 6:06 pm, Udo wrote:
My point was, a manufacture can weather a problem once,
simply because of its reputation. If it happens a second time the
customer will go with an other product.
In the case of the Diana it was critical to be proactive even if it
turns out that the manufacture was not at fault. The company has to
establish it self .

Maybe the analogy was not ideal as many pilots flew the 27 for years
and had the wings refinished if they were competitors. Many still
fly with the .005"plus shrinkage. I understand the gliders produced
after 2000 do not have that problem but this is just anecdotal.

Udo

On Dec 7, 9:57 am, Andy wrote:



On Dec 5, 8:03 pm, Udo wrote:

Look for example the ASW 27 and it wing surface problem.

Udo, you are the second person that used the ASW-27 as an example in
this thread, but I'm not sure what it is intended to be an example of.

Schleicher had wing deformation problems with both the ASW-27 and to a
lesser extent with the ASW-28. I know of no corrective action
provided by Schleicher and I know for a fact that Schleicher claimed
the deformation on the ASW-28 was cosmetic only.

So my understanding is that Schleicher did nothing to correct the
problem and there were many very unhappy owners.

Do you know something different?

Schleicher also delivered several ASW-28 with incorrect airbrake
rigging. That problem was eventually resolved by changing the wheel
brake actuating rod to a part with different slot dimensions. In this
case Schleicher provided good support and also provided replacement
parts at no cost.

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Udo,
Problem is: that reputation, quality myths and so on varies from
case to case and I say that from the perspective of an first and
absolutelly last time Schleicher glider owner.
As my wife says:
"...this whole glider making industry is aimed at bunch of suckers
that will spend their last money just to get their hype..."

The Sucker