i think I flew into class c airspace accidentally withoutestablishing communication

wrote:
I'm sorry if I gave anyone the impression that I was not concerned for
the safety of others. I am familiar with the area we were in, but I
made a serious mistake at night. I do appreciate all the options you
all have laid out for me. I will fill out the NASA form immediately.
And why on Earth would someone put my name in the thread? That just
seems uncalled for.


It WAS uncalled for, and could in fact actually be a clearly defined
detrimental act to flight safety.

If some pilot out here feels after reading that post that they can't
report these things in good faith, someone may actually be killed down
the line because of what that poster did.
I can't condemn that kind of response enough. When new pilots try and do
things right after making an in-flight error, the very least the
community can do is to back that pilot's behavior to the fullest.
I sincerely hope that you realize you have the backing of the vast
majority of pilots here.
Go ahead and file the report, forget what this single poster did, and
learn from the error.
I have no doubt whatsoever that a new pilot who, as you have done by
asking for advice on a matter like this, will gain from the experience
and be a better pilot in the future. By taking the action you have, you
have made flying safer for all of us, and I commend what you are doing.

Best of luck to you.
Dudley Henriques

On Jan 26, 12:50*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
It WAS uncalled for, and could in fact actually be a clearly defined
detrimental act to flight safety.

If some pilot out here feels after reading that post that they can't
report these things in good faith, someone may actually be killed down
the line because of what that poster did.
I can't condemn that kind of response enough. When new pilots try and do.

Dudley,

Thank you so much for speaking out strongly against this
"snitching" behavior. I have learned so much about flight safety from
reading "I learned about flying from that" type of articles, NASA
Callback reports and postings such as that of Rfaulki. I can not
agree more with your statements.

Best regards,

Hai Longworth
Permanent Student Pilot

On Jan 26, 12:50*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
wrote:
I'm sorry if I gave anyone the impression that I was not concerned for
the safety of others. *I am familiar with the area we were in, but I
made a serious mistake at night. *I do appreciate all the options you
all have laid out for me. *I will fill out the NASA form immediately.
And why on Earth would someone put my name in the thread? *That just
seems uncalled for.

It WAS uncalled for, and could in fact actually be a clearly defined
detrimental act to flight safety.

I agree that the poster's full name should not have been disclosed--
especially in all caps, as if to rub it in.

On the other hand, it's of no practical consequence. Anyone looking at
the email address would guess that the poster's name is R. Faulkiner,
and the FAA online database--which is presumably where Larry looked up
his information--lists only two such pilots, the other of whom has a
commercial certificate. But the FAA doesn't mine r.a.p. in search of
violations, and filing an ASRS form will provide protection in any
event.

I'm still a little concerned that the poster might not realize that he
didn't just make an isolated mistake of possibly busting Class C, but
rather made a few ongoing mistakes leading up to that--failing to
verify his heading every minute or so (off by 45 degrees until way off
course), following the line on the GPS screen instead of actively
navigating, and failing to adequately brief and supervise his
passenger. If this was his first night XC without an instructor, it
should probably have been solo rather than taking on the extra
responsibility and distraction of a passenger. I offer these comments
not as disparagements, but as constructive criticisms. It just seems
like a generally higher degree of caution and conservative decision-
making may be called for, to avoid getting in over your head.

Again, good luck!

On Jan 26, 2:18*pm, wrote:
On Jan 26, 12:50*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:

wrote:
I'm sorry if I gave anyone the impression that I was not concerned for
the safety of others. *I am familiar with the area we were in, but I
made a serious mistake at night. *I do appreciate all the options you
all have laid out for me. *I will fill out the NASA form immediately..
And why on Earth would someone put my name in the thread? *That just
seems uncalled for.

It WAS uncalled for, and could in fact actually be a clearly defined
detrimental act to flight safety.

I agree that the poster's full name should not have been disclosed--
especially in all caps, as if to rub it in.

On the other hand, it's of no practical consequence. Anyone looking at
the email address would guess that the poster's name is R. Faulkiner,
and the FAA online database--which is presumably where Larry looked up
his information--lists only two such pilots, the other of whom has a
commercial certificate. But the FAA doesn't mine r.a.p. in search of
violations, and filing an ASRS form will provide protection in any
event.

I'm still a little concerned that the poster might not realize that he
didn't just make an isolated mistake of possibly busting Class C, but
rather made a few ongoing mistakes leading up to that--failing to
verify his heading every minute or so (off by 45 degrees until way off
course), following the line on the GPS screen instead of actively
navigating, and failing to adequately brief and supervise his
passenger. If this was his first night XC without an instructor, it
should probably have been solo rather than taking on the extra
responsibility and distraction of a passenger. I offer these comments
not as disparagements, but as constructive criticisms. It just seems
like a generally higher degree of caution and conservative decision-
making may be called for, to avoid getting in over your head.

Again, good luck!

I appreciate your criticism and I do realize that I made a lot of
mistakes from the moment I took off. This experience made me more
aware of my responsibilities as a PIC, and I will be a lot more
prepared from now on when I fly.

On Jan 26, 2:26*pm, wrote:
I appreciate your criticism and I do realize that I made a lot of
mistakes from the moment I took off. *This experience made me more
aware of my responsibilities as a PIC, and I will be a lot more
prepared from now on when I fly.

Great! Then I'm happy to share the skies with you!

In article
,
wrote:

I appreciate your criticism and I do realize that I made a lot of
mistakes from the moment I took off. This experience made me more
aware of my responsibilities as a PIC, and I will be a lot more
prepared from now on when I fly.

This sounds like a successful flight. You made a mistake, realized what
you had done, and corrected it. Nobody got hurt, no metal got bent, no
paperwork got generated, and you learned from your mistake.

May all your flights in the future be as successful.

On Jan 26, 1:26*pm, wrote:


I appreciate your criticism and I do realize that I made a lot of
mistakes from the moment I took off. *This experience made me more
aware of my responsibilities as a PIC, and I will be a lot more
prepared from now on when I fly.- Hide quoted text -

This is the best kind of learning experience. Nobody got hurt and
nothing got broken. Plus, since you had the courage to share it here,
other newbies like me can learn from it also. Thanks for posting!

Phil

wrote in message news:7a77578a-6b19-4e75-8650-

I appreciate your criticism and I do realize that I made a lot of
mistakes from the moment I took off. This experience made me more
aware of my responsibilities as a PIC, and I will be a lot more
prepared from now on when I fly.

Thanks for sucking it up and posting here so others can learn from it. I,
as a student CFI, learned something else to teach new pilots.

GPS is one of those things that seems almost to good to be true. It's also
not something that most PPLs seem to get a lot of training on, which,
hopefully, is changing right now.

I did the GPS for IFR and GPS for VFR online AOPA courses and learned a
bunch, but it never tells you not to rely solely on the instrument.

I doubt the FAA will give you much grief.

-c

wrote:

On the other hand, it's of no practical consequence. Anyone looking at
the email address would guess that the poster's name is R. Faulkiner,
and the FAA online database--which is presumably where Larry looked up
his information--lists only two such pilots, the other of whom has a
commercial certificate. But the FAA doesn't mine r.a.p. in search of
violations, and filing an ASRS form will provide protection in any
event.

Unfortunately, human nature will many times dictate an impression that
determines reaction to something seen without the benefit of a detailed
search for substantiating data.
It would be quite common for a student pilot for example, to simply read
through a post like that, see the reaction from others to the admission
of an error, and even more importantly, envision a punitive action as
the result of admitting an error like this. The result of that could
easily be an unconscious or even a conscious decision not to subject
themselves to possible investigation or penalty down the line, thus
denying both themselves and others any benefit from learning.
It's just not necessary to cause, or even take the chance for causing
someone new to flying to be afraid of reporting something and learning
something from a mistake.
--
Dudley Henriques

On Jan 26, 11:50*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
wrote:

It WAS uncalled for, and could in fact actually be a clearly defined
detrimental act to flight safety.

... Best of luck to you.
Dudley Henriques

Dudley,
As usual your response is right on. I also agree with you completely
and would like to encourage others to continue posting their errors so
that we can all learn. I have certainly made my share of errors in my
1500 hours, and have posted many of them here. If someone wants to
remain anonymous, they should feel free to do so.

Best,
Cary