i think I flew into class c airspace accidentally withoutestablishing communication

wrote in message
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VOR is obviously implied by the language to even the most casual reader.


It's not implied at all to an informed reader.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
wrote in message
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VOR is obviously implied by the language to even the most casual reader.


It's not implied at all to an informed reader.




OK Steven, please inform us what electronic navigation
systems these lines are referring to...

2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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OK Steven, please inform us what electronic navigation
systems these lines are referring to...

2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.


It doesn't refer to any specific system. The requirements can be satisfied
with ADF.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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OK Steven, please inform us what electronic navigation
systems these lines are referring to...

2. Demonstrates the ability to use an airborne electronic navigation
system.
3. Locates the airplane's position using the navigation system.
4. Intercepts and tracks a given course, radial or bearing, as
appropriate.


It doesn't refer to any specific system. The requirements can be satisfied
with ADF.




Which is one of the systems I mentioned to start off with. But when I
took my PPL test ride ADF and GPS weren't options so I shortened it.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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Which is one of the systems I mentioned to start off with. But when I took
my PPL test ride ADF and GPS weren't options so I shortened it.


You said use of a VOR was in the PP requirements. It's not.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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Which is one of the systems I mentioned to start off with. But when I took
my PPL test ride ADF and GPS weren't options so I shortened it.


You said use of a VOR was in the PP requirements. It's not.




It was for me.

But had you read the thread (and I know you did) you would have
understood that I was countering the argument of a student pilot that
basically wrote that non-instrument pilots shouldn't be using any
electronic navigation system as primary navigation. But I'm also sure
you knew this as well and just like starting arguments.

On Jan 29, 9:30*am, Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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Which is one of the systems I mentioned to start off with. But when I took
my PPL test ride ADF and GPS weren't options so I shortened it.

You said use of a VOR was in the PP requirements. *It's not.

It was for me.

But had you read the thread (and I know you did) you would have
understood that I was countering the argument of a student pilot that
basically wrote that non-instrument pilots shouldn't be using any
electronic navigation system as primary navigation. But I'm also sure
you knew this as well and just like starting arguments.

Hi 601,

So you are suggestigng that electronics should be the primary nav tool
(why then do we spend soooo much time on visual navigation during
training??) Do you check your GPS by your visual Nav (i.e. GPS is
your primary system and visual your backup)? Using a map and brain is
a good system and not subject to any of the millions of failure modes
possible in the electronics of GPS. Now IFR is another game entirely
but if your eyes are outside the cockpit how do you use GPS ;-)

Cheers

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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You said use of a VOR was in the PP requirements. It's not.

It was for me.


No it wasn't.



But had you read the thread (and I know you did) you would have understood
that I was countering the argument of a student pilot that basically wrote
that non-instrument pilots shouldn't be using any electronic navigation
system as primary navigation. But I'm also sure you knew this as well and
just like starting arguments.


What you're sure of is incorrect.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Which is one of the systems I mentioned to start off with. But when I
took my PPL test ride ADF and GPS weren't options so I shortened it.


You said use of a VOR was in the PP requirements. It's not.

It's on the written exam. You won't make it as a Private Pilot if you can't
even pass the written exam.

-c

"gatt" wrote in message
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It's on the written exam. You won't make it as a Private Pilot if you
can't even pass the written exam.


Well, unless more than 30% of the test is on VOR the written can be passed
without knowing anything about VOR.

But that's not the issue.