i think I flew into class c airspace accidentally withoutestablishing communication

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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You said use of a VOR was in the PP requirements. It's not.

It was for me.

No it wasn't.

Yes it was. I had no other electronic nav system in the aircraft I took my
PPL checkride in.


No it wasn't. The PP requirements are not altered by the equipment in the
aircraft used for the checkride.



Your sound more like MX every time you touch your keyboard.

Let's try something.

A. Is there a requirement in the PP standard to show use of a electronic
navigation system?
If Yes go to B.
If No you're an idiot I already posted the requirement.

B. If VOR is the only electronic navigation system in the plane how will
one be tested on an ADF, GPS or anything else?

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
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Your sound more like MX every time you touch your keyboard.

Let's try something.

A. Is there a requirement in the PP standard to show use of a electronic
navigation system?


Yes.



If Yes go to B.
If No you're an idiot I already posted the requirement.

B. If VOR is the only electronic navigation system in the plane how will
one be tested on an ADF, GPS or anything else?


They won't be tested on anything else.

Has this little exercise helped you to understand that use of a VOR is not
in the PP requirements, and that the PP requirements are not altered by the
equipment in the
aircraft used for the checkride?

If "No", you're an idiot.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote in message
...

Your sound more like MX every time you touch your keyboard.

Let's try something.

A. Is there a requirement in the PP standard to show use of a
electronic navigation system?


Yes.



If Yes go to B.
If No you're an idiot I already posted the requirement.

B. If VOR is the only electronic navigation system in the plane how
will one be tested on an ADF, GPS or anything else?


They won't be tested on anything else.

Has this little exercise helped you to understand that use of a VOR is
not in the PP requirements, and that the PP requirements are not
altered by the equipment in the
aircraft used for the checkride?

If "No", you're an idiot.



Actually, the examiner isn't some automaton who sits there checking
boxes. (well there're probably one or two who do)
If he gets into an airplane with a candidate who can't operate the ****
on board and he imagines this guy putting around like a cow on crack,
long fingering the day he might learn to use the equipment installed,
he's going to fail him on general princple.
He won't say that, of course....



Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip writes:
Actually, the examiner isn't some automaton who sits there checking
boxes. (well there're probably one or two who do)
If he gets into an airplane with a candidate who can't operate the ****
on board and he imagines this guy putting around like a cow on crack,
long fingering the day he might learn to use the equipment installed,
he's going to fail him on general princple.
He won't say that, of course....

I don't know if my interpretation of the legaleese is correct, but
when I did my test my instructor told me "if it is on the panel, the
examiner will expect you to know how to use it, or at a bare minimum
how to disable it."

So he taught me how to use the GPS that was installed in my club's
Tomahawks. My examiner had no issues at all when I hit the "direct to
nearest" buttons on the GPS when he asked me what I would do if I was
to divert to the closest airport.

Chris

Christopher Brian Colohan wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:
Actually, the examiner isn't some automaton who sits there checking
boxes. (well there're probably one or two who do)
If he gets into an airplane with a candidate who can't operate the ****
on board and he imagines this guy putting around like a cow on crack,
long fingering the day he might learn to use the equipment installed,
he's going to fail him on general princple.
He won't say that, of course....

I don't know if my interpretation of the legaleese is correct, but
when I did my test my instructor told me "if it is on the panel, the
examiner will expect you to know how to use it, or at a bare minimum
how to disable it."

So he taught me how to use the GPS that was installed in my club's
Tomahawks. My examiner had no issues at all when I hit the "direct to
nearest" buttons on the GPS when he asked me what I would do if I was
to divert to the closest airport.


Well, it's a bit more than that. Unless youre in an airplane you never flew
before ,he will be looking to see you know how to operate it and all it's
junk safely. It's more of a feeling thing. If you make him feel like he'd
let his kids ride with you after the checkride, he'll sign the piece of
paper.
If a candidate can't be bothered to spend the 15 minutes it takes to learn
how to use a VOR, believe me, he'll know.


Bertie