About Stall Psychology and Pilots

"Ken ****head Tucker" wrote in
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FWIW, I definitely agree, I'm talking about hitting pavement.
It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood) that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".
Ken


YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.

Benjamin Dover writes:

YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.

Since neither has anything to do with ground effect, why would that be a
problem?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Benjamin Dover writes:

YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.

Since neither has anything to do with ground effect, why would that be a
problem?


You'll never fly so you'll never know.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
Benjamin Dover writes:

YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.

Since neither has anything to do with ground effect, why would that be a
problem?

My god you are ignorant.


--
Jim Pennino

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Benjamin Dover writes:

YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.

Since neither has anything to do with ground effect, why would that be a
problem?

To coin a phrase:

"Good grief"

Andy

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Feb 22, 10:20 am, "gatt" wrote:
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Yangooooo.....listen....

Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super

Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying
too much airspeed? In a proper Cessna 152 landing, you're pulling
the yoke back as you bleed off airspeed in order to ease the
nosewheel down. There's no forward nudging. The nose is going to
come down eventually no matter what.

Previously you wrote:
At the moment before touch-down push the yoke easy forward and I do
a 3 point landing

That puts undue stress on the nosewheel, especially in a soft-terrain
environment. Published procedure is to hold the nosewheel off for
as long as possible (which is done by pulling back on the yoke) and
ease it to the ground as gently as possible.

FWIW, I definitely agree,


FWIW? That'd be the value of the dust bunnies under my couch and the
dog's worn out chewie frog, I beleive.


I'm talking about hitting pavement.


Hey, you must be a reeeeel pile-it iffin you can talk lke that!


It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood)


Hey, the whole world is one big mystery to you Kennie!


But wait, if you understand how to land a Starfighter on a carrier, then
you must understand ground effect.

that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".


I can think of several things that the Mounties should be analysing
right about now.


Bertie

On Feb 22, 2:35 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
FWIW, I definitely agree, I'm talking about hitting pavement.
It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood) that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".
Ken

Ground effect is not a mystery to those who have taken
groundschools and have licenses. It's mystery to simulated "pilots."
Ground effect was well understood by aerodynamicists a long time ago,
and it's been explained in the textbooks since then.
Lowering the nose just before touchdown just reduces AOA so
that the airplane thumps onto the runway. It's not going to squeak on.
It's sloppy and stupid and damages things.

Dan

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Lowering the nose just before touchdown just reduces AOA so
that the airplane thumps onto the runway. It's not going to squeak on.
It's sloppy and stupid and damages things.


He he. you should get a job with Jeppy writing pilot manuals!

Bertie

wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:35 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
FWIW, I definitely agree, I'm talking about hitting pavement.
It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood) that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".
Ken

Ground effect is not a mystery to those who have taken
groundschools and have licenses. It's mystery to simulated "pilots."
Ground effect was well understood by aerodynamicists a long time ago,
and it's been explained in the textbooks since then.
Lowering the nose just before touchdown just reduces AOA so
that the airplane thumps onto the runway. It's not going to squeak on.
It's sloppy and stupid and damages things.

Dan



I would strongly recommend that lowering the nose on any landing is
asking for trouble in a BIG way. In fact, the exact opposite is true.
You should be HOLDING the nose in the landing attitude as the airplane
touches down.

I don't know where this guy reads the crap he posts on these groups but
I wouldn't climb into an airplane with Ken Tucker for a million
bucks....and I mean even a PAPER airplane!!!!.

--
Dudley Henriques

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:35:58 -0800 (PST), "Ken S. Tucker"
wrote:


Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".
Ken

If the wing is still flying in ground effect it's not going to quit
just because some one lowered the nose. Yes, you can plant the nose
gear on, but the wing will continue to fly which can be a bit
inconvenient as well as disconcerting and uncomfortable.

Ever see an airplane trying to do an imitation of a wheelbarrow?
Just think of that tiny little nose gear supporting (and directing)
the entire airplane's weight plus the extra downward force from
prematurely lowering the nose (forcing it on). As the nose gear is
usually coupled to the rudder it *may* not be going in the same
direction the airplane is.

I saw a *loaded* Aztec roll the tire right off the rim doing that,
with *most* of the "North 40" watching. Fortunately the rim and tire
survived, as did the twin and it only took a new inner tube and a bit
of elbow grease to get it ready to fly out that evening.

No, I wasn't flying it, but I was in charge of the group coming in on
it which was a bit hard on the blood pressure.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com