About Stall Psychology and Pilots

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Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken

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Ken

Did you chop power landing or land power on?

Big John

On Feb 21, 8:27 am, Big John wrote:
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Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken

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Ken
Did you chop power landing or land power on?
Big John

When I land something like a Cessna (in reality) I use
minimum power so the prop is acting as a break.

In the F104 sim, I crashed and burned about 10 times.
IIRC, I set-up slowest speed on final, (possibly with
airspeed brakes) then, near the deck, flared, cut power,
and squealed the tires. I think the sim allowed a 2g
vertical strike on the gear. It was quite a rush
- even tho it was a sim - when I finally landed it ok.

Do you do sims to?
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:ffa6dbc5-f9a0-
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On Feb 21, 8:27 am, Big John wrote:
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Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken

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Ken
Did you chop power landing or land power on?
Big John

When I land something like a Cessna (in reality) I use
minimum power so the prop is acting as a break.



You break your prop landing?

Not surprised somehow.


In the F104 sim, I crashed and burned about 10 times.


They really should let you try it in a real one.


Bertie

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:04:27 -0800 (PST), "Ken S. Tucker"
wrote:

On Feb 21, 8:27 am, Big John wrote:
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Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken

************************************************** **

Ken
Did you chop power landing or land power on?
Big John

When I land something like a Cessna (in reality) I use
minimum power so the prop is acting as a break.

In the F104 sim, I crashed and burned about 10 times.
IIRC, I set-up slowest speed on final, (possibly with
airspeed brakes) then, near the deck, flared, cut power,
and squealed the tires. I think the sim allowed a 2g
vertical strike on the gear. It was quite a rush
- even tho it was a sim - when I finally landed it ok.

Do you do sims to?
Ken


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Last first.

Yep. Flew the Link Trainer. Did you ever fly one?

On question.

If you chop power before your rolling you are going to crash. Been
there. Seen that.

Do you know the minimum ejection altitude with the original downward
seat??

Do you wear your spurs when flying your hot sim?

Big John

On Feb 23, 5:04 pm, Big John wrote:


Do you wear your spurs when flying your hot sim?

Big John

I wear a Stetson when I play a Cav sim...

On Feb 23, 2:04 pm, Big John wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:04:27 -0800 (PST), "Ken S. Tucker"

wrote:
On Feb 21, 8:27 am, Big John wrote:
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Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken

************************************************** **

Ken
Did you chop power landing or land power on?
Big John

When I land something like a Cessna (in reality) I use
minimum power so the prop is acting as a break.

In the F104 sim, I crashed and burned about 10 times.
IIRC, I set-up slowest speed on final, (possibly with
airspeed brakes) then, near the deck, flared, cut power,
and squealed the tires. I think the sim allowed a 2g
vertical strike on the gear. It was quite a rush
- even tho it was a sim - when I finally landed it ok.

Do you do sims to?
Ken

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Last first.
Yep. Flew the Link Trainer. Did you ever fly one?

Fly a Link Trainer, no I haven't, but my Old Boy did
in WW2, he even had those little manuals, that I
wish I kept.
Mind if I ask about your experience with the Link?
(My Old Boy said they were fun).

On question.
If you chop power before your rolling you are going to crash. Been
there. Seen that.

Do you know the minimum ejection altitude with the original downward
seat??

No, but I bet a lot of F104 pilots have never heard
of that. I read the rationale was to avoid the T-tail,
and at low altitude one was to roll the A/C over,
then eject.

Do you wear your spurs when flying your hot sim?
Big John

Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:f6e532d3-a93d-4d72-
:


Fly a Link Trainer, no I haven't, but my Old Boy did
in WW2, he even had those little manuals, that I
wish I kept.
Mind if I ask about your experience with the Link?
(My Old Boy said they were fun).


On question.
If you chop power before your rolling you are going to crash. Been
there. Seen that.

Do you know the minimum ejection altitude with the original downward
seat??

No, but I bet a lot of F104 pilots have never heard
of that. I read the rationale was to avoid the T-tail,
and at low altitude one was to roll the A/C over,
then eject.


Boggle


Bertie

On Feb 23, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:f6e532d3-a93d-4d72-
:





Fly a Link Trainer, no I haven't, but my Old Boy did
in WW2, he even had those little manuals, that I
wish I kept.
Mind if I ask about your experience with the Link?
(My Old Boy said they were fun).

On question.
If you chop power before your rolling you are going to crash. Been
there. Seen that.

Do you know the minimum ejection altitude with the original downward
seat??

No, but I bet a lot of F104 pilots have never heard
of that. I read the rationale was to avoid the T-tail,
and at low altitude one was to roll the A/C over,
then eject.

Boggle
Bertie

Funny, you'll need to channel Kelly Johnson for the
whole story.
Recall, from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid,
"I can't swim", "well the fall will kill you anyway".

Ok, so you eject from an F104 at mach2, and
experience significant deacceleration trauma,
(your not very streamlined, does hitting a brick
wall sound reasonable).
but don't worry, the T-tail is not an issue.
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On Feb 23, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
news:f6e532d3-a93d-4d72-
:





Fly a Link Trainer, no I haven't, but my Old Boy did
in WW2, he even had those little manuals, that I
wish I kept.
Mind if I ask about your experience with the Link?
(My Old Boy said they were fun).

On question.
If you chop power before your rolling you are going to crash.
Been there. Seen that.

Do you know the minimum ejection altitude with the original
downward seat??

No, but I bet a lot of F104 pilots have never heard
of that. I read the rationale was to avoid the T-tail,
and at low altitude one was to roll the A/C over,
then eject.

Boggle
Bertie

Funny, you'll need to channel Kelly Johnson for the
whole story.
Recall, from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid,
"I can't swim", "well the fall will kill you anyway".

Ok, so you eject from an F104 at mach2, and
experience significant deacceleration trauma,
(your not very streamlined, does hitting a brick
wall sound reasonable).
but don't worry, the T-tail is not an issue.


killfile troubles again, Your Tardness?


Bertie

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:45:30 -0800 (PST), "Ken S. Tucker"
wrote:

On Feb 23, 3:47 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:f6e532d3-a93d-4d72-
:





Fly a Link Trainer, no I haven't, but my Old Boy did
in WW2, he even had those little manuals, that I
wish I kept.
Mind if I ask about your experience with the Link?
(My Old Boy said they were fun).

On question.
If you chop power before your rolling you are going to crash. Been
there. Seen that.

Do you know the minimum ejection altitude with the original downward
seat??

No, but I bet a lot of F104 pilots have never heard
of that. I read the rationale was to avoid the T-tail,
and at low altitude one was to roll the A/C over,
then eject.

Boggle
Bertie

Funny, you'll need to channel Kelly Johnson for the
whole story.
Recall, from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid,
"I can't swim", "well the fall will kill you anyway".

Ok, so you eject from an F104 at mach2, and
experience significant deacceleration trauma,
(your not very streamlined, does hitting a brick
wall sound reasonable).
but don't worry, the T-tail is not an issue.
Ken


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Ken

Do you remeber when they changed from the downward ejection seat to
the historic upward ejection and why? Did they put a charge in
fuselage to blow the tail off so you wouldn't hit it when you ejected
?????

Big John