About Stall Psychology and Pilots

WingFlaps wrote in
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On Feb 20, 7:41*am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Feb 19, 3:10 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:



"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Feb 18, 12:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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Speakin' of honesty [LOL], would our bertie care to
provide pix of his alledged enterprise? (that's not
forged), or is it Top Secret, like the rest of your crap?

Sorry Ken, but steel tube construction is too dangerous for you
to be

playing with.
Bertie

We nailed you little bertie, you a big fake!

Oh yeah, you got me good there trailer trash.

I knew it right off the bat....plonk.

Oh no! Not a plonk! First I get a taste of my own medicine and now
I'm plonked!

Oh woe!

Oh cruel fate!

It's like I'm in a Twilight zone episode, 'cept I'm the troll!

Bertie

Bertie, you've been plonked, so why do you reply
when you know it won't be read?

Our Bertie knows Kooks.



I can pick 'em can't I?


Bertie

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 20, 7:41 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Feb 19, 3:10 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:



"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
news:54a68b12-fd5e-41cf-
:
On Feb 18, 12:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
news:40579f93-e593-
...
Speakin' of honesty [LOL], would our bertie care to
provide pix of his alledged enterprise? (that's not
forged), or is it Top Secret, like the rest of your crap?
Sorry Ken, but steel tube construction is too dangerous for you
to be playing with.
Bertie
We nailed you little bertie, you a big fake!
Oh yeah, you got me good there trailer trash.
I knew it right off the bat....plonk.
Oh no! Not a plonk! First I get a taste of my own medicine and now
I'm plonked!
Oh woe!
Oh cruel fate!
It's like I'm in a Twilight zone episode, 'cept I'm the troll!
Bertie
Bertie, you've been plonked, so why do you reply
when you know it won't be read?

Our Bertie knows Kooks.

Cheers
I'm still trying to figure out how someone can see a post from someone
they claim they have kill filed; then be stupid enough to answer the
poster they say has been kill filed telling them they haven't read the
post :-))
Must be magic!!! :-))
It is!

It's th emagic that is usenet!

Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Feb 19, 12:22 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 20, 7:41 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Feb 19, 3:10 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
news:54a68b12-fd5e-41cf-
:
On Feb 18, 12:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
news:40579f93-e593-
...
Speakin' of honesty [LOL], would our bertie care to
provide pix of his alledged enterprise? (that's not
forged), or is it Top Secret, like the rest of your crap?
Sorry Ken, but steel tube construction is too dangerous for you
to be playing with.
Bertie
We nailed you little bertie, you a big fake!
Oh yeah, you got me good there trailer trash.
I knew it right off the bat....plonk.
Oh no! Not a plonk! First I get a taste of my own medicine and
now I'm plonked!
Oh woe!
Oh cruel fate!
It's like I'm in a Twilight zone episode, 'cept I'm the troll!
Bertie
Bertie, you've been plonked, so why do you reply
when you know it won't be read?

Our Bertie knows Kooks.

Cheers

I'm still trying to figure out how someone can see a post from
someone they claim they have kill filed; then be stupid enough to
answer the poster they say has been kill filed telling them they
haven't read the post :-))
Must be magic!!! :-))

Say Dud, are you some kind of lawyer or
something? I slipped up on one little detail,
dang you should work for the womens libers.
plonk

Seriously tho Dud, I think you screwed up
stall landings visa-vis AoA over the runway.
I pull back the yoke for a perfect flare, and
as the stall begins, my nose drops, then I
nudge back the yoke a bit more to settle
my little machine pretty much level and
stalled simultaneously....bingo!
At the moment before touch-down push the
yoke easy forward and I do a 3 point landing
at less than stall speed.

Dud, take your machine out to do some touch
and go's, and do 3 point landings at less than
stall.


you do three point landings in a 150?

What's that, the prop the wingtip and your head?


Bertie

On Feb 21, 1:41 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Feb 21, 11:46 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Feb 21, 3:32 am, Benjamin Dover wrote:
"Ken ****head Tucker" wrote in news:256b8641-a00d-
:
"Licenses", well that depends, if you are controlled
by govmonks, as you apparently are, we're about
equal, however I'm a citizen who works for private
corporations - for profit - and have diploma's all over
the place, filed somewhere.
The only diploma you ever received was from Pilgram State.
How many airplane types have
you flown? (Real airplanes, not simulated airplanes.)
How many hours? Three, maybe? Kinda sounds like it.
I tossed my log book, cuz I don't keep my Gr.1
printing anymore, just crappy paper work.
Translation: You flunked Gr.1
You know, I do a poo-poo, and I ain't going to keep
the used TP dated and filed. RULE 1, never leave a
paper-work trail!
Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken
Yeah. Your just as good a pilot as Harmon Rabb.
LOL, I consider myself a bad pilot and a bad driver,
cuz I have some ADD, my mind wanders, so I have
to really concentrate. So far it's paid off, never had an
accident in ~1,000,000 miles.
I can't even drive with the radio on unless there is no
traffic.
Ken
Well, I'll tell ya Ken. Landing a Zipper on a carrier would be a bit of
a chore, even for you. You DO of course know that the 104 lands at 155
to 160kts depending on fuel weight.
To my knowledge, even Tony Levier couldn't pull this one off.
:-))

Ok Dud, let's fly your figures, (I'll go over to feet/sec "fps").
I'm touching down at 160 MPH = 230 fps.
I need to stop on a 1000' carrier deck.
((s= 1/2 at^2 , v= at ))
((s=1000', v=230 fps , g=32 fps/s))

I need to stop in 8.7 seconds, and that requires a
deacceleration of "a"= 26 fps/s == 0.8g's on the brakes.

I think the 0.8g braking deacceleration is in bounds,
compared to slamming on the brakes in a car.
--
Dudley Henriques

Regards
Ken
PS: I assumed the deck was dry :-).

I take it you are using MSFS?

No, I/we wrote the software I/we used, it was a
collaborative effort.

I never know when you post something like this as being the Mensa guy

Mensa has nothing to do with it, (IMO)
it's straightforward HS algebra.

and super pilot you are, I'm assuming you could be talking a real
airplane :-))

A good friend of mine was a CF104 fighter
pilot instructor and he thought the sim was
realistic. When he banked his F104, the
nose started to drop, and he had to pull back
for some more pitch to keep level altitude,
and he looks at me and swears "damn that's
realistic", of course that's a compliment.

The landing distance of the F104, like any other airplane, depends on
weight elevation and touchdown speed. Figuring under 19K landing GW for
the zipper (about right) to land one from 50 feet to a dead stop would
take about 5000 feet of runway. The ground roll is about 2500 feet using
the proper landing flap setting (blown flaps must be over 85% throttle
on final in the Zipper ) and using the drag chute.

That's interesting and refers to a normal (low stress)
landing.

You can increase
these numbers by a good 50% with no brakes and no chute.
The Zipper FYI, is one of the hottest landing airplanes ever built.
Be careful you don't get that drag chute caught up in that 3 wire there
ole' buddy. Oh...I almost forgot; when that 19K fighter hits that 3 wire
at 160kts, when it snaps, it should take out the entire deck crew :-)))

LOL, if the pilot can walk away from the landing,
it's good landing.

Dudley Henriques
Ken

On Feb 22, 10:07*am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Feb 21, 11:46 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:



Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Feb 21, 3:32 am, Benjamin Dover wrote:
"Ken ****head Tucker" wrote in news:256b8641-a00d-
:

"Licenses", well that depends, if you are controlled
by govmonks, as you apparently are, we're about
equal, however I'm a citizen who works for private
corporations - for profit - and have diploma's all over
the place, filed somewhere.
* * * * The only diploma you ever received was from Pilgram State.

How many airplane types have
you flown? (Real airplanes, not simulated airplanes.)
* * * *How many hours? Three, maybe? Kinda sounds like it.
I tossed my log book, cuz I don't keep my Gr.1
printing anymore, just crappy paper work.
* * * * Translation: *You flunked Gr.1

You know, I do a poo-poo, and I ain't going to keep
the used TP dated and filed. RULE 1, never leave a
paper-work trail!
Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken
* * * * Yeah. *Your just as good a pilot as Harmon Rabb.

LOL, I consider myself a bad pilot and a bad driver,
cuz I have some ADD, my mind wanders, so I have
to really concentrate. So far it's paid off, never had an
accident in ~1,000,000 miles.
I can't even drive with the radio on unless there is no
traffic.
Ken

Well, I'll tell ya Ken. Landing a Zipper on a carrier would be a bit of
a chore, even for you. You DO of course know that the 104 lands at 155
to 160kts depending on fuel weight.
To my knowledge, even Tony Levier couldn't pull this one off.
:-))

Ok Dud, let's fly your figures, (I'll go over to feet/sec "fps").
I'm touching down at 160 MPH = 230 fps.
I need to stop on a 1000' carrier deck.
((s= 1/2 at^2 , v= at ))
((s=1000', v=230 fps , g=32 fps/s))

I need to stop in 8.7 seconds, and that requires a
deacceleration of *"a"= 26 fps/s == 0.8g's on the brakes.

I think the 0.8g braking deacceleration is in bounds,
compared to slamming on the brakes in a car.


What aircraft carrier has a landing deck 1000' long?

Cheers

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 20, 7:41 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
On Feb 19, 3:10 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:



"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
news:54a68b12-fd5e-41cf-
:
On Feb 18, 12:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
news:40579f93-e593-
...
Speakin' of honesty [LOL], would our bertie care to
provide pix of his alledged enterprise? (that's not
forged), or is it Top Secret, like the rest of your crap?
Sorry Ken, but steel tube construction is too dangerous for you
to be playing with.
Bertie
We nailed you little bertie, you a big fake!
Oh yeah, you got me good there trailer trash.
I knew it right off the bat....plonk.
Oh no! Not a plonk! First I get a taste of my own medicine and now
I'm plonked!
Oh woe!
Oh cruel fate!
It's like I'm in a Twilight zone episode, 'cept I'm the troll!
Bertie
Bertie, you've been plonked, so why do you reply
when you know it won't be read?
Our Bertie knows Kooks.

Cheers
I'm still trying to figure out how someone can see a post from someone
they claim they have kill filed; then be stupid enough to answer the
poster they say has been kill filed telling them they haven't read the
post :-))
Must be magic!!! :-))
It is!

It's th emagic that is usenet!

Bertie


It IS entertaining!! :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

On Feb 22, 2:51 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

LOL, if the pilot can walk away from the landing,
it's good landing.

Ken

You haven't paid for parts, have you?

Dan

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On Feb 21, 1:41 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Feb 21, 11:46 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Feb 21, 3:32 am, Benjamin Dover
wrote:
"Ken ****head Tucker" wrote in
news:256b8641-a00d-
:
"Licenses", well that depends, if you are controlled
by govmonks, as you apparently are, we're about
equal, however I'm a citizen who works for private
corporations - for profit - and have diploma's all over
the place, filed somewhere.
The only diploma you ever received was from Pilgram
State.
How many airplane types have
you flown? (Real airplanes, not simulated airplanes.)
How many hours? Three, maybe? Kinda sounds like it.
I tossed my log book, cuz I don't keep my Gr.1
printing anymore, just crappy paper work.
Translation: You flunked Gr.1
You know, I do a poo-poo, and I ain't going to keep
the used TP dated and filed. RULE 1, never leave a
paper-work trail!
Dan, man to man, I get the impression you're afraid
of landings, where as myself, that's what I live for.
Sure some is sim's, but I managed to land an F104
on a Carrier deck, to prove it's possible, do you know
why? Cuz it could save a pilots life!
Ken
Yeah. Your just as good a pilot as Harmon Rabb.
LOL, I consider myself a bad pilot and a bad driver,
cuz I have some ADD, my mind wanders, so I have
to really concentrate. So far it's paid off, never had an
accident in ~1,000,000 miles.
I can't even drive with the radio on unless there is no
traffic.
Ken
Well, I'll tell ya Ken. Landing a Zipper on a carrier would be a
bit of a chore, even for you. You DO of course know that the 104
lands at 155 to 160kts depending on fuel weight.
To my knowledge, even Tony Levier couldn't pull this one off.
:-))

Ok Dud, let's fly your figures, (I'll go over to feet/sec "fps").
I'm touching down at 160 MPH = 230 fps.
I need to stop on a 1000' carrier deck.
((s= 1/2 at^2 , v= at ))
((s=1000', v=230 fps , g=32 fps/s))

I need to stop in 8.7 seconds, and that requires a
deacceleration of "a"= 26 fps/s == 0.8g's on the brakes.

I think the 0.8g braking deacceleration is in bounds,
compared to slamming on the brakes in a car.
--
Dudley Henriques

Regards
Ken
PS: I assumed the deck was dry :-).

I take it you are using MSFS?

No, I/we wrote the software I/we used, it was a
collaborative effort.

I never know when you post something like this as being the Mensa guy

Mensa has nothing to do with it, (IMO)
it's straightforward HS algebra.

and super pilot you are, I'm assuming you could be talking a real
airplane :-))

A good friend of mine was a CF104 fighter
pilot instructor and he thought the sim was
realistic. When he banked his F104, the
nose started to drop, and he had to pull back
for some more pitch to keep level altitude,
and he looks at me and swears "damn that's
realistic", of course that's a compliment.

Actgually, the word you're looking for is "patronise"

The landing distance of the F104, like any other airplane, depends on
weight elevation and touchdown speed. Figuring under 19K landing GW
for the zipper (about right) to land one from 50 feet to a dead stop
would take about 5000 feet of runway. The ground roll is about 2500
feet using the proper landing flap setting (blown flaps must be over
85% throttle on final in the Zipper ) and using the drag chute.

That's interesting and refers to a normal (low stress)
landing.



You're an idiot AND a liar.

You can increase
these numbers by a good 50% with no brakes and no chute.
The Zipper FYI, is one of the hottest landing airplanes ever built.
Be careful you don't get that drag chute caught up in that 3 wire
there ole' buddy. Oh...I almost forgot; when that 19K fighter hits
that 3 wire at 160kts, when it snaps, it should take out the entire
deck crew :-)))

LOL, if the pilot can walk away from the landing,
it's good landing.


I'm sure that's actually true in your case.


Bertie

On Feb 22, 5:46*am, " wrote:
On Feb 22, 2:51 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:



LOL, if the pilot can walk away from the landing,
it's good landing.

Ken

You haven't paid for parts, have you?

Dan

Dan et al
Its like MxMANIAC all over again. (perhaps its the same person?) I'm
gonna ignore him.

On Feb 22, 10:24 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:46 am, " wrote:

On Feb 22, 2:51 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

LOL, if the pilot can walk away from the landing,
it's good landing.

Ken

You haven't paid for parts, have you?

Dan

Dan et al
Its like MxMANIAC all over again. (perhaps its the same person?) I'm
gonna ignore him.

Very true.

Maybe it is mxmaniac's hillbilly twin?