About Stall Psychology and Pilots

"gatt" wrote in news:13ruamjsbick8a3
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Very true.

Maybe it is mxmaniac's hillbilly twin?

I was thinking one could give the other flight lessons. Maybe over the
north Atlantic or something... Can you imagine being in that cockpit?


the horror!


bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"gatt" wrote in news:13ruaeoim1cnn06
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super

Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying
too much airspeed?
To recover from th eflat spin you did on approach , of course.
Oh, yes, how could I forget?

Whenever I do a flat spin on approach, I just cover my hands and scream.
Alternatively, if you throw in full power at exactly the right moment,
hey... 3 point landing!


I'm looking forward to seeing him perform on the airshow circuit.


bertie

Bite your tongue!!! :-))

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Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"gatt" wrote in news:13ruaeoim1cnn06
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super

Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're
carrying too much airspeed?
To recover from th eflat spin you did on approach , of course.
Oh, yes, how could I forget?

Whenever I do a flat spin on approach, I just cover my hands and
scream. Alternatively, if you throw in full power at exactly the
right moment, hey... 3 point landing!


I'm looking forward to seeing him perform on the airshow circuit.


bertie

Bite your tongue!!! :-))


It'd be spectacular! Those propane explosions the CAF do are getting a bit
old...


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"gatt" wrote in news:13ruaeoim1cnn06
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super
Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're
carrying too much airspeed?
To recover from th eflat spin you did on approach , of course.
Oh, yes, how could I forget?

Whenever I do a flat spin on approach, I just cover my hands and
scream. Alternatively, if you throw in full power at exactly the
right moment, hey... 3 point landing!

I'm looking forward to seeing him perform on the airshow circuit.


bertie
Bite your tongue!!! :-))


It'd be spectacular! Those propane explosions the CAF do are getting a bit
old...


Bertie

That is quite a show they do. Great place for a Pyro Maniac!
Not quite sure how a paper airplane being flown remotely by a simulator
jockey would fare though. Gets pretty hot in there for paper airplanes.
:-)

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Dudley Henriques

On Feb 22, 10:20 am, "gatt" wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in ...

Yangooooo.....listen....

Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super

Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying too
much airspeed? In a proper Cessna 152 landing, you're pulling the yoke
back as you bleed off airspeed in order to ease the nosewheel down. There's
no forward nudging. The nose is going to come down eventually no matter
what.

Previously you wrote:
At the moment before touch-down push the yoke easy forward and I do a 3
point landing

That puts undue stress on the nosewheel, especially in a soft-terrain
environment. Published procedure is to hold the nosewheel off for as long
as possible (which is done by pulling back on the yoke) and ease it to the
ground as gently as possible.

FWIW, I definitely agree, I'm talking about hitting pavement.
It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood) that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".
Ken

Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"gatt" wrote in news:13ruaeoim1cnn06
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super
Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're
carrying too much airspeed?
To recover from th eflat spin you did on approach , of course.
Oh, yes, how could I forget?

Whenever I do a flat spin on approach, I just cover my hands and
scream. Alternatively, if you throw in full power at exactly the
right moment, hey... 3 point landing!

I'm looking forward to seeing him perform on the airshow circuit.


bertie
Bite your tongue!!! :-))


It'd be spectacular! Those propane explosions the CAF do are getting
a bit old...


Bertie

That is quite a show they do. Great place for a Pyro Maniac!
Not quite sure how a paper airplane being flown remotely by a
simulator jockey would fare though. Gets pretty hot in there for paper
airplanes.


He'd make a fortune if he could pull it off though!


Bertie

gatt wrote:
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Very true.

Maybe it is mxmaniac's hillbilly twin?

I was thinking one could give the other flight lessons. Maybe over the
north Atlantic or something... Can you imagine being in that cockpit?

-c


I've never flown a Hillbilly Twin. Is it "center thrust" by any chance?
(I've always found this particular rating to illicit strange erotic
responses from women when shown to them on the flight line)

:-))

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Dudley Henriques

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Feb 22, 10:20 am, "gatt" wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in ...

Yangooooo.....listen....
Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super
Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying too
much airspeed? In a proper Cessna 152 landing, you're pulling the yoke
back as you bleed off airspeed in order to ease the nosewheel down. There's
no forward nudging. The nose is going to come down eventually no matter
what.

Previously you wrote:
At the moment before touch-down push the yoke easy forward and I do a 3
point landing
That puts undue stress on the nosewheel, especially in a soft-terrain
environment. Published procedure is to hold the nosewheel off for as long
as possible (which is done by pulling back on the yoke) and ease it to the
ground as gently as possible.

FWIW, I definitely agree, I'm talking about hitting pavement.
It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood) that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".
Ken

Good Grief!!

I swear you're turning me into Charlie Brown, Ken.
:-)

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Dudley Henriques

Whenever I do a flat spin on approach, I just cover my hands and
scream. Alternatively, if you throw in full power at exactly the
right moment, hey... 3 point landing!

I'm looking forward to seeing him perform on the airshow circuit.


That is quite a show they do. Great place for a Pyro Maniac!
Not quite sure how a paper airplane being flown remotely by a simulator
jockey would fare though. Gets pretty hot in there for paper airplanes.


I meant to say "cover my eyes and scream," not "cover my hands," so, sorry
if I was unclear. I'm sure it makes all the difference.

You all may not like my patented "eyes-covered screaming flat-spin
three-point landing" but I assure you it would be a show-stopper. The Blue
Angels don't even do it.

-c

"Ken ****head Tucker" wrote in
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FWIW, I definitely agree, I'm talking about hitting pavement.
It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood) that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".
Ken


YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.