About Stall Psychology and Pilots

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Feb 22, 10:20 am, "gatt" wrote:
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Yangooooo.....listen....

Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super

Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying
too much airspeed? In a proper Cessna 152 landing, you're pulling
the yoke back as you bleed off airspeed in order to ease the
nosewheel down. There's no forward nudging. The nose is going to
come down eventually no matter what.

Previously you wrote:
At the moment before touch-down push the yoke easy forward and I do
a 3 point landing

That puts undue stress on the nosewheel, especially in a soft-terrain
environment. Published procedure is to hold the nosewheel off for
as long as possible (which is done by pulling back on the yoke) and
ease it to the ground as gently as possible.

FWIW, I definitely agree,


FWIW? That'd be the value of the dust bunnies under my couch and the
dog's worn out chewie frog, I beleive.


I'm talking about hitting pavement.


Hey, you must be a reeeeel pile-it iffin you can talk lke that!


It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood)


Hey, the whole world is one big mystery to you Kennie!


But wait, if you understand how to land a Starfighter on a carrier, then
you must understand ground effect.

that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".


I can think of several things that the Mounties should be analysing
right about now.


Bertie

On Feb 22, 1:46 pm, "gatt" wrote:
Whenever I do a flat spin on approach, I just cover my hands and
scream. Alternatively, if you throw in full power at exactly the
right moment, hey... 3 point landing!

I'm looking forward to seeing him perform on the airshow circuit.

That is quite a show they do. Great place for a Pyro Maniac!
Not quite sure how a paper airplane being flown remotely by a simulator
jockey would fare though. Gets pretty hot in there for paper airplanes.

I meant to say "cover my eyes and scream," not "cover my hands," so, sorry
if I was unclear. I'm sure it makes all the difference.

You all may not like my patented "eyes-covered screaming flat-spin
three-point landing" but I assure you it would be a show-stopper. The Blue
Angels don't even do it.
-c

Man, that would be cool, using a modified C152.
Do a 180 over the numbers, with lots of rudder
and convert the A/C into an effective Canard,
and land backwards.
That sounds like a super idea!
Then go to throttle as a reverse thruster.
Let's do it,...you first.
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Feb 22, 1:46 pm, "gatt" wrote:
Whenever I do a flat spin on approach, I just cover my hands
and scream. Alternatively, if you throw in full power at
exactly the right moment, hey... 3 point landing!

I'm looking forward to seeing him perform on the airshow
circuit.

That is quite a show they do. Great place for a Pyro Maniac!
Not quite sure how a paper airplane being flown remotely by a
simulator jockey would fare though. Gets pretty hot in there for
paper airplanes.

I meant to say "cover my eyes and scream," not "cover my hands," so,
sorry if I was unclear. I'm sure it makes all the difference.

You all may not like my patented "eyes-covered screaming flat-spin
three-point landing" but I assure you it would be a show-stopper.
The Blue Angels don't even do it.
-c

Man, that would be cool, using a modified C152.
Do a 180 over the numbers, with lots of rudder
and convert the A/C into an effective Canard,
and land backwards.
That sounds like a super idea!
Then go to throttle as a reverse thruster.
Let's do it,...you first.

If it were possible, I could, you , never..


Bertie

On Feb 22, 4:39 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
gatt wrote:
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Very true.

Maybe it is mxmaniac's hillbilly twin?

I was thinking one could give the other flight lessons. Maybe over the
north Atlantic or something... Can you imagine being in that cockpit?

-c

I've never flown a Hillbilly Twin. Is it "center thrust" by any chance?
(I've always found this particular rating to illicit strange erotic
responses from women when shown to them on the flight line)

:-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Hmm..

Maybe Cessna missed an opportunity..

Just think: "Let me show you the joystick in my center thrust
SkyMaster"

nice.......

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On Feb 22, 4:39 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
gatt wrote:
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Very true.
Maybe it is mxmaniac's hillbilly twin?
I was thinking one could give the other flight lessons. Maybe over the
north Atlantic or something... Can you imagine being in that cockpit?
-c
I've never flown a Hillbilly Twin. Is it "center thrust" by any chance?
(I've always found this particular rating to illicit strange erotic
responses from women when shown to them on the flight line)

:-))

--
Dudley Henriques

Hmm..

Maybe Cessna missed an opportunity..

Just think: "Let me show you the joystick in my center thrust
SkyMaster"

nice.......


Something tells me this one will need some work :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

Benjamin Dover writes:

YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.

Since neither has anything to do with ground effect, why would that be a
problem?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Benjamin Dover writes:

YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.

Since neither has anything to do with ground effect, why would that be a
problem?


You'll never fly so you'll never know.


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
Benjamin Dover writes:

YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.

Since neither has anything to do with ground effect, why would that be a
problem?

My god you are ignorant.


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Jim Pennino

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"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in message
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You all may not like my patented "eyes-covered screaming flat-spin
three-point landing" but I assure you it would be a show-stopper. The
Blue
Angels don't even do it.

Man, that would be cool, using a modified C152.
Do a 180 over the numbers, with lots of rudder
and convert the A/C into an effective Canard,
and land backwards.
That sounds like a super idea!
Then go to throttle as a reverse thruster.


Too easy unless it's on an aircraft carrier, but that's also too easy
because the arresting cables catch the nosewheel. Of course, if you time it
right, when the nose gear rips off it can get yanked through the prop. But
since I don't have permission to land on carriers and you apparently have, I
guess you'll get a wikipedia page before I do.

-c

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Benjamin Dover writes:

YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.

Since neither has anything to do with ground effect, why would that be a
problem?

My god you are ignorant.



His level of ignorance is unsurpassed in the annals of mankind.