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Alan wrote:
In article PB5yj.56157$yE1.49793@attbi_s21 "Jay Honeck"
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Any of you guys out there ever "downgrade?" If so, how was it?

I know a couple of guys who have "downgraded" to LSAs after years of
buzzing around in Barons and Mooneys. They seem mighty happy.

Personally, I expect to "downgrade" to a CT (or similar) when the
kids are out of the house, and I no longer need a 1460 pound useful
load. Four gallons per hour sounds mighty fine, most days.

Looking at the price of fuel, and the fact that it will continue
to go up, the LSA aircraft sound better, until . . .

The CT seems to start around $106K, with the LS up around $128K.
Other
interesting options go even higher. It sort of makes finding an old
C-150/152 sound like a pretty good idea. It looks like insurance on
an LSA may also be a good bit more expensive.

I wonder if this isn't a bit of taking advantage of folks who are
perceived as unable to fly other aircraft for various reasons (such
as medicals, etc.) "Hey, we can charge them more..."

Well, perhaps not, since the price of a new 172 is about double
that.
Even so, the basic CT felt like a nice $30K airplane. Too bad they
wanted a lot more than that for it.

I did notice that one can rent a 152 for less than one can rent an
LSA.

Apples and oranges.

Today's quiz question: In what year was the last 152 built?

I'm gonna guess 79, though I was in Wichita and there weren't any there,
but rowas and rows of 172s and 172 RGs





Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Alan wrote:
In article PB5yj.56157$yE1.49793@attbi_s21 "Jay Honeck"
writes:
Any of you guys out there ever "downgrade?" If so, how was it?

I know a couple of guys who have "downgraded" to LSAs after years of
buzzing around in Barons and Mooneys. They seem mighty happy.

Personally, I expect to "downgrade" to a CT (or similar) when the
kids are out of the house, and I no longer need a 1460 pound useful
load. Four gallons per hour sounds mighty fine, most days.

Looking at the price of fuel, and the fact that it will continue
to go up, the LSA aircraft sound better, until . . .

The CT seems to start around $106K, with the LS up around $128K.
Other
interesting options go even higher. It sort of makes finding an old
C-150/152 sound like a pretty good idea. It looks like insurance on
an LSA may also be a good bit more expensive.

I wonder if this isn't a bit of taking advantage of folks who are
perceived as unable to fly other aircraft for various reasons (such
as medicals, etc.) "Hey, we can charge them more..."

Well, perhaps not, since the price of a new 172 is about double
that.
Even so, the basic CT felt like a nice $30K airplane. Too bad they
wanted a lot more than that for it.

I did notice that one can rent a 152 for less than one can rent an
LSA.

Apples and oranges.

Today's quiz question: In what year was the last 152 built?

I'm gonna guess 79, though I was in Wichita and there weren't any there,
but rowas and rows of 172s and 172 RGs

85 actually, so the newest 152 one can rent is 22 years old.

And for the grand prize, what is the oldest LSA one can rent?

--
Jim Pennino

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:





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Alan wrote:
In article PB5yj.56157$yE1.49793@attbi_s21 "Jay Honeck"
writes:
Any of you guys out there ever "downgrade?" If so, how was it?

I know a couple of guys who have "downgraded" to LSAs after years of
buzzing around in Barons and Mooneys. *They seem mighty happy.

Personally, I expect to "downgrade" to a CT (or similar) when the
kids are out of the house, and I no longer need a 1460 pound useful
load. * Four gallons per hour sounds mighty fine, most days.

* Looking at the price of fuel, and the fact that it will continue
to go up, the LSA aircraft sound better, until . . .

* The CT seems to start around $106K, with the LS up around $128K.
* Other
interesting options go even higher. *It sort of makes finding an old
C-150/152 sound like a pretty good idea. *It looks like insurance on
an LSA may also be a good bit more expensive.

* I wonder if this isn't a bit of taking advantage of folks who are
perceived as unable to fly other aircraft for various reasons (such
as medicals, etc.) *"Hey, we can charge them more..."

* Well, perhaps not, since the price of a new 172 is about double
* that.
Even so, the basic CT felt like a nice $30K airplane. *Too bad they
wanted a lot more than that for it.

* I did notice that one can rent a 152 for less than one can rent an
LSA.

Apples and oranges.

Today's quiz question: In what year was the last 152 built?
I'm gonna guess 79, though I was in Wichita and there weren't any there,
but rowas and rows of 172s and 172 RGs

85 actually, so the newest 152 one can rent is 22 years old.

And for the grand prize, what is the oldest LSA one can rent?

--
Jim Pennino

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Long shot, but would that be the Luscome?

Wil

William Hung wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:05?am, wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:





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Alan wrote:
In article PB5yj.56157$yE1.49793@attbi_s21 "Jay Honeck"
writes:
Any of you guys out there ever "downgrade?" If so, how was it?

I know a couple of guys who have "downgraded" to LSAs after years of
buzzing around in Barons and Mooneys. ?They seem mighty happy.

Personally, I expect to "downgrade" to a CT (or similar) when the
kids are out of the house, and I no longer need a 1460 pound useful
load. ? Four gallons per hour sounds mighty fine, most days.

? Looking at the price of fuel, and the fact that it will continue
to go up, the LSA aircraft sound better, until . . .

? The CT seems to start around $106K, with the LS up around $128K.
? Other
interesting options go even higher. ?It sort of makes finding an old
C-150/152 sound like a pretty good idea. ?It looks like insurance on
an LSA may also be a good bit more expensive.

? I wonder if this isn't a bit of taking advantage of folks who are
perceived as unable to fly other aircraft for various reasons (such
as medicals, etc.) ?"Hey, we can charge them more..."

? Well, perhaps not, since the price of a new 172 is about double
? that.
Even so, the basic CT felt like a nice $30K airplane. ?Too bad they
wanted a lot more than that for it.

? I did notice that one can rent a 152 for less than one can rent an
LSA.

Apples and oranges.

Today's quiz question: In what year was the last 152 built?
I'm gonna guess 79, though I was in Wichita and there weren't any there,
but rowas and rows of 172s and 172 RGs

85 actually, so the newest 152 one can rent is 22 years old.

And for the grand prize, what is the oldest LSA one can rent?

--
Jim Pennino

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Long shot, but would that be the Luscome?

You know someone that rents Luscombes, Ercoupes or the few other antiques
that got grandfathered in to LSA?

I do know a CFI that gives tail wheel endoresements in his Champ, but
if he has known you for less than 20 years you aren't going to fly it
solo.


--
Jim Pennino

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William Hung wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:05?am, wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:





wrote
:
Alan wrote:
In article PB5yj.56157$yE1.49793@attbi_s21 "Jay Honeck"
writes:
Any of you guys out there ever "downgrade?" If so, how was
it?

I know a couple of guys who have "downgraded" to LSAs after
years of buzzing around in Barons and Mooneys. ?They seem
mighty happy.

Personally, I expect to "downgrade" to a CT (or similar) when
the kids are out of the house, and I no longer need a 1460
pound useful load. ? Four gallons per hour sounds mighty
fine, most days.

? Looking at the price of fuel, and the fact that it will
continue to go up, the LSA aircraft sound better, until . . .

? The CT seems to start around $106K, with the LS up around
$128K. ? Other
interesting options go even higher. ?It sort of makes finding
an old C-150/152 sound like a pretty good idea. ?It looks like
insurance on an LSA may also be a good bit more expensive.

? I wonder if this isn't a bit of taking advantage of folks
who are perceived as unable to fly other aircraft for various
reasons (such as medicals, etc.) ?"Hey, we can charge them
more..."

? Well, perhaps not, since the price of a new 172 is about
double ? that.
Even so, the basic CT felt like a nice $30K airplane. ?Too bad
they wanted a lot more than that for it.

? I did notice that one can rent a 152 for less than one can
rent an LSA.

Apples and oranges.

Today's quiz question: In what year was the last 152 built?
I'm gonna guess 79, though I was in Wichita and there weren't any
there, but rowas and rows of 172s and 172 RGs

85 actually, so the newest 152 one can rent is 22 years old.

And for the grand prize, what is the oldest LSA one can rent?

--
Jim Pennino

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Long shot, but would that be the Luscome?

You know someone that rents Luscombes, Ercoupes or the few other
antiques that got grandfathered in to LSA?

I do know a CFI that gives tail wheel endoresements in his Champ, but
if he has known you for less than 20 years you aren't going to fly it
solo.



Amelia Reid Aviation at KRHV has two 1946 Aeronica Champ 7AC and a
1945 Taylorcraft L-2 availble for rent to members. More information can be
found at http://www.ameliareid.com (I am not a member, but am based at
KRHV.)

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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William Hung wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:05?am, wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:





wrote
:
Alan wrote:
In article PB5yj.56157$yE1.49793@attbi_s21 "Jay Honeck"
writes:
Any of you guys out there ever "downgrade?" If so, how was
it?

I know a couple of guys who have "downgraded" to LSAs after
years of buzzing around in Barons and Mooneys. ?They seem
mighty happy.

Personally, I expect to "downgrade" to a CT (or similar) when
the kids are out of the house, and I no longer need a 1460
pound useful load. ? Four gallons per hour sounds mighty
fine, most days.

? Looking at the price of fuel, and the fact that it will
continue to go up, the LSA aircraft sound better, until . . .

? The CT seems to start around $106K, with the LS up around
$128K. ? Other
interesting options go even higher. ?It sort of makes finding
an old C-150/152 sound like a pretty good idea. ?It looks like
insurance on an LSA may also be a good bit more expensive.

? I wonder if this isn't a bit of taking advantage of folks
who are perceived as unable to fly other aircraft for various
reasons (such as medicals, etc.) ?"Hey, we can charge them
more..."

? Well, perhaps not, since the price of a new 172 is about
double ? that.
Even so, the basic CT felt like a nice $30K airplane. ?Too bad
they wanted a lot more than that for it.

? I did notice that one can rent a 152 for less than one can
rent an LSA.

Apples and oranges.

Today's quiz question: In what year was the last 152 built?
I'm gonna guess 79, though I was in Wichita and there weren't any
there, but rowas and rows of 172s and 172 RGs

85 actually, so the newest 152 one can rent is 22 years old.

And for the grand prize, what is the oldest LSA one can rent?

--
Jim Pennino

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Long shot, but would that be the Luscome?

You know someone that rents Luscombes, Ercoupes or the few other
antiques that got grandfathered in to LSA?


I do.


Bertie

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You know someone that rents Luscombes, Ercoupes or the few other
antiques that got grandfathered in to LSA?

I do.

I should have probably qualified that a bit.

If you look hard enough, you can probably find someone that rents out a
Sopwith Camel.

But the point is that the vast majority of LSA rentals are going to
be brand new airplanes and rental prices are directly proportional
to the airplane cost.

--
Jim Pennino

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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You know someone that rents Luscombes, Ercoupes or the few other
antiques that got grandfathered in to LSA?

I do.

I should have probably qualified that a bit.

If you look hard enough, you can probably find someone that rents out a
Sopwith Camel.

Nah, never certified, but I do know someone who rents a '39 Chief out.


But the point is that the vast majority of LSA rentals are going to
be brand new airplanes and rental prices are directly proportional
to the airplane cost.



No idea! If it's not covered in rags and leaking oil I'm not interested!

Bertie

On Mar 3, 1:05*am, wrote:
William Hung wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:05?am, wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

wrote :
Alan wrote:
In article PB5yj.56157$yE1.49793@attbi_s21 "Jay Honeck"
writes:
Any of you guys out there ever "downgrade?" If so, how was it?

I know a couple of guys who have "downgraded" to LSAs after years of
buzzing around in Barons and Mooneys. ?They seem mighty happy.

Personally, I expect to "downgrade" to a CT (or similar) when the
kids are out of the house, and I no longer need a 1460 pound useful
load. ? Four gallons per hour sounds mighty fine, most days.

? Looking at the price of fuel, and the fact that it will continue
to go up, the LSA aircraft sound better, until . . .

? The CT seems to start around $106K, with the LS up around $128K..
? Other
interesting options go even higher. ?It sort of makes finding an old
C-150/152 sound like a pretty good idea. ?It looks like insurance on
an LSA may also be a good bit more expensive.

? I wonder if this isn't a bit of taking advantage of folks who are
perceived as unable to fly other aircraft for various reasons (such
as medicals, etc.) ?"Hey, we can charge them more..."

? Well, perhaps not, since the price of a new 172 is about double
? that.
Even so, the basic CT felt like a nice $30K airplane. ?Too bad they
wanted a lot more than that for it.

? I did notice that one can rent a 152 for less than one can rent an
LSA.

Apples and oranges.

Today's quiz question: In what year was the last 152 built?
I'm gonna guess 79, though I was in Wichita and there weren't any there,
but rowas and rows of 172s and 172 RGs

85 actually, so the newest 152 one can rent is 22 years old.

And for the grand prize, what is the oldest LSA one can rent?

--
Jim Pennino

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Long shot, but would that be the Luscome?

You know someone that rents Luscombes, Ercoupes or the few other antiques
that got grandfathered in to LSA?


No I don't.

I do know a CFI that gives tail wheel endoresements in his Champ, but
if he has known you for less than 20 years you aren't going to fly it
solo.


I can believe it.

Wil

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Jim Pennino

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Alan wrote:
In article PB5yj.56157$yE1.49793@attbi_s21 "Jay Honeck"
writes:
Any of you guys out there ever "downgrade?" If so, how was it?

I know a couple of guys who have "downgraded" to LSAs after years
of buzzing around in Barons and Mooneys. They seem mighty happy.

Personally, I expect to "downgrade" to a CT (or similar) when the
kids are out of the house, and I no longer need a 1460 pound
useful load. Four gallons per hour sounds mighty fine, most
days.

Looking at the price of fuel, and the fact that it will continue
to go up, the LSA aircraft sound better, until . . .

The CT seems to start around $106K, with the LS up around $128K.
Other
interesting options go even higher. It sort of makes finding an
old C-150/152 sound like a pretty good idea. It looks like
insurance on an LSA may also be a good bit more expensive.

I wonder if this isn't a bit of taking advantage of folks who
are
perceived as unable to fly other aircraft for various reasons
(such as medicals, etc.) "Hey, we can charge them more..."

Well, perhaps not, since the price of a new 172 is about double
that.
Even so, the basic CT felt like a nice $30K airplane. Too bad
they wanted a lot more than that for it.

I did notice that one can rent a 152 for less than one can rent
an
LSA.

Apples and oranges.

Today's quiz question: In what year was the last 152 built?

I'm gonna guess 79, though I was in Wichita and there weren't any
there, but rowas and rows of 172s and 172 RGs

85 actually, so the newest 152 one can rent is 22 years old.

And for the grand prize, what is the oldest LSA one can rent?

I'm guessing an E2 Cub or an Early Chief, unless someone is renting out
a Heath Parasol.



Bertie