gun discharge in cockpit.

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:43:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Roger wrote in
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:31:07 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:



Think of all the money you're saving on ammo.

And tht *stuff* is getting REALLY expensive too.

Really? Mine isn't too bad, but I don;t use all that much.

Hey, I remember the days when we could purchase the imported and/or
surplus stuff by the metal can for about what a box costs now.

Of course back in those days you could go out and purchase a 20 mm,
make a rifle out of it, purchase the HE rounds and make lots of
noise. That is IF you could afford the gun and ammo. Now that stuff
was expensive back then even in today's dollars.

I purchased a dozen 45's for less than $20 each still in the
cosmaline. (Those I could afford) Two could have been used for
competition, most were so, so (average more or less) and with the last
two you'd have been lucky to hit the floor holding one over the side
of a chair and pointed down.


All you need is your SUV

So is gas.

Doesn't seem to matter to some!

I can afford it, but I'm trying to be a bit conservative and drive my
wife's hybrid.
OK, so I'm cheap.:-))


Bertie
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote in
:


Hey, I remember the days when we could purchase the imported and/or
surplus stuff by the metal can for about what a box costs now.

Yeah, And I paid 1750 for my first airplane with a fresh overhaul and rags!


Of course back in those days you could go out and purchase a 20 mm,
make a rifle out of it, purchase the HE rounds and make lots of
noise. That is IF you could afford the gun and ammo. Now that stuff
was expensive back then even in today's dollars.

Huh?
You lost me there.

I purchased a dozen 45's for less than $20 each still in the
cosmaline. (Those I could afford) Two could have been used for
competition, most were so, so (average more or less) and with the last
two you'd have been lucky to hit the floor holding one over the side
of a chair and pointed down.


Cool.


All you need is your SUV

So is gas.

Doesn't seem to matter to some!

I can afford it, but I'm trying to be a bit conservative and drive my
wife's hybrid.
OK, so I'm cheap.:-))

And do you find it does well in fuel comsumption?


Bertie

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:10:42 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Roger wrote in
:


Hey, I remember the days when we could purchase the imported and/or
surplus stuff by the metal can for about what a box costs now.

Yeah, And I paid 1750 for my first airplane with a fresh overhaul and rags!
My first car (56 Ford with a police interceptor engine @$1250) the
next was a new 62 Pontiac Bonneville Convertible with read leather
interior ~5600# and cost $3,600. First house in 61 was $11,000 and
about the size of this one.


Of course back in those days you could go out and purchase a 20 mm,
make a rifle out of it, purchase the HE rounds and make lots of
noise. That is IF you could afford the gun and ammo. Now that stuff
was expensive back then even in today's dollars.


Huh?
You lost me there.

The price that stuff went for then, would be expensive at that price
today and my pension alone is multiples of what I made back then.

I think G&A magazine paid something like $75 each for the HE rounds
they used in a write up on a rifle made from a 20mm cannon and used a
Hydrocoil (sp?) stock..


I purchased a dozen 45's for less than $20 each still in the
cosmaline. (Those I could afford) Two could have been used for
competition, most were so, so (average more or less) and with the last
two you'd have been lucky to hit the floor holding one over the side
of a chair and pointed down.

Says a lot for the quality control back then.

I had two Colt Pythons with the Pacmyer (sp?) grips. I shot 5 boxes of
heavy loads at metal silhouettes at the range one day. I had two boxes
of High velocity hollow points and was only hitting about 1 our of 5.
The guy with me said he knew I shot better than that and gave me a
couple boxes of 220 grain semi wad cutters. He had them loaded for a
Thompson Contender single shot with a long barrel. All the hide
peeled off the inside of my right hand. Man, but that was one big
blister and GAWD it was sore! :-)) But I was hitting about 4 out of
5 or a tad better with those loads. Those HV HPs were good for short
range only. I was actually doing about as well on sheep at 125
yards. We'd watch the condensation ball through the spotting scope.
When you could actually see the bullet's location it was amazing how
long it took to get to the target.



Cool.


All you need is your SUV

So is gas.

Doesn't seem to matter to some!

I can afford it, but I'm trying to be a bit conservative and drive my
wife's hybrid.
OK, so I'm cheap.:-))

And do you find it does well in fuel comsumption?

46 to 47 MPG with a mix of highway and city driving out here in the
flat lands. Expressway drops to about 45.

IF traffic permitted driving for mileage. IE...coasting up to stops,
gradual acceleration, planning your speeds like we do approaches, it
could easily get well over 50. However in today's driving world
they'd probably be hunting up your next of kin after the first hour of
driving like that.

Bertie
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote in
news
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:10:42 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Roger wrote in
m:


Hey, I remember the days when we could purchase the imported and/or
surplus stuff by the metal can for about what a box costs now.

Yeah, And I paid 1750 for my first airplane with a fresh overhaul and
rags!
My first car (56 Ford with a police interceptor engine @$1250) the
next was a new 62 Pontiac Bonneville Convertible with read leather
interior ~5600# and cost $3,600. First house in 61 was $11,000 and
about the size of this one.


Of course back in those days you could go out and purchase a 20 mm,
make a rifle out of it, purchase the HE rounds and make lots of
noise. That is IF you could afford the gun and ammo. Now that
stuff was expensive back then even in today's dollars.


Huh?
You lost me there.

The price that stuff went for then, would be expensive at that price
today and my pension alone is multiples of what I made back then.

I think G&A magazine paid something like $75 each for the HE rounds
they used in a write up on a rifle made from a 20mm cannon and used a
Hydrocoil (sp?) stock..


I purchased a dozen 45's for less than $20 each still in the
cosmaline. (Those I could afford) Two could have been used for
competition, most were so, so (average more or less) and with the
last two you'd have been lucky to hit the floor holding one over the
side of a chair and pointed down.

Says a lot for the quality control back then.

I had two Colt Pythons with the Pacmyer (sp?) grips. I shot 5 boxes of
heavy loads at metal silhouettes at the range one day. I had two boxes
of High velocity hollow points and was only hitting about 1 our of 5.
The guy with me said he knew I shot better than that and gave me a
couple boxes of 220 grain semi wad cutters. He had them loaded for a
Thompson Contender single shot with a long barrel. All the hide
peeled off the inside of my right hand. Man, but that was one big
blister and GAWD it was sore! :-)) But I was hitting about 4 out of
5 or a tad better with those loads. Those HV HPs were good for short
range only. I was actually doing about as well on sheep at 125
yards. We'd watch the condensation ball through the spotting scope.
When you could actually see the bullet's location it was amazing how
long it took to get to the target.



Cool.


All you need is your SUV

So is gas.

Doesn't seem to matter to some!

I can afford it, but I'm trying to be a bit conservative and drive
my wife's hybrid.
OK, so I'm cheap.:-))

And do you find it does well in fuel comsumption?

46 to 47 MPG with a mix of highway and city driving out here in the
flat lands. Expressway drops to about 45.

IF traffic permitted driving for mileage. IE...coasting up to stops,
gradual acceleration, planning your speeds like we do approaches, it
could easily get well over 50. However in today's driving world
they'd probably be hunting up your next of kin after the first hour of
driving like that.

Yipes! Making your own gun out of a cannon? You must have impresses the
other kids!


Bertie

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:31:29 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Roger wrote in
news
On Tsnip
And do you find it does well in fuel comsumption?

46 to 47 MPG with a mix of highway and city driving out here in the
flat lands. Expressway drops to about 45.

IF traffic permitted driving for mileage. IE...coasting up to stops,
gradual acceleration, planning your speeds like we do approaches, it
could easily get well over 50. However in today's driving world
they'd probably be hunting up your next of kin after the first hour of
driving like that.

Yipes! Making your own gun out of a cannon? You must have impresses the
other kids!


No, not me. I couldn't have afforded the ammunition let anone be
strong enough to carry the thing.

I do believe there is a current bolt action available that uses the 50
CAl though. Don't think I could handle either the recoil or price
on that one either, although I could afford the ammunition. Can you
imagine how that thing must kick?


Bertie
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Mar 25, 4:45 am, Roger wrote:

I do believe there is a current bolt action available that uses the 50
CAl though. Don't think I could handle either the recoil or price
on that one either, although I could afford the ammunition. Can you
imagine how that thing must kick?

Barrett is the name in .50 Caliber bolt actions. The 50 is a supreme
long range caliber, with knock-down power out far past its MER.

I've never seen or heard of anyone firing this in any other position
than prone, with a bi or tripod and recoil pad.

Dan Mc

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:08:27 -0700 (PDT), Dan
wrote:

On Mar 25, 4:45 am, Roger wrote:

I do believe there is a current bolt action available that uses the 50
CAl though. Don't think I could handle either the recoil or price
on that one either, although I could afford the ammunition. Can you
imagine how that thing must kick?

Barrett is the name in .50 Caliber bolt actions. The 50 is a supreme
long range caliber, with knock-down power out far past its MER.

I've never seen or heard of anyone firing this in any other position
than prone, with a bi or tripod and recoil pad.


Yup, that's the one. I'd like to have one of those too. don't know
what I'd do with it other than hang it over the mantel and going back
to cooking my own meals doesn't sound all that great.



Dan Mc
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:43:14 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Roger wrote in
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:31:07 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:



Think of all the money you're saving on ammo.

And tht *stuff* is getting REALLY expensive too.

Really? Mine isn't too bad, but I don;t use all that much.

Hey, I remember the days when we could purchase the imported and/or
surplus stuff by the metal can for about what a box costs now.

Of course back in those days you could go out and purchase a 20 mm,
make a rifle out of it, purchase the HE rounds and make lots of
noise. That is IF you could afford the gun and ammo. Now that stuff
was expensive back then even in today's dollars.

I believe you could by a WW2 20mm anti-tank gun for about $80 and a load of
ammo to boot.

(See: John Ross's book "Unintended Consequences" - he has a photo of the
original magazine ad from the early 60's)