ATC

On Mar 31, 5:43*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
On Mar 31, 1:10 am, buttman wrote:



The center/approach controllers aren't going to clear you for an
approach until you tell them you have the weather at the airport,
whether the tower is closed or not.

There's no provision for denying approach clearance to aircraft that
have not reported having the weather. *Aircraft that have not reported
receiving the weather are to be issued the weather.

Right, but on one occasion, I remember hearing a controller ask a
pilot if he had the weather and NOTAMS for a particular airport he was
intending to do a practice approach at. The pilot responded that he
had the weather, but not the NOTAMS. The controller made him do a few
holds until he had a chance to bring up the NOTAMS to read to him. The
reason for the NOTAM was the one and only runway was closed. I'm not a
controller, but I'm pretty sure there is a rule that states a plane
can't be cleared for an approach until the controller is sure the
pilot has all the relevant information, including weather and notams.

On Mar 31, 4:18*am, Ed Sharkey wrote:
On Mar 31, 10:14*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:



buttman wrote :

On Mar 29, 10:09*pm, Benjamin Dover wrote:
buttman wrote
innews:86c53833-2e0d-4ce2-84fa-c83801fdb
:

On Mar 28, 5:00*am, "Mike Gilmour" wrote:
Listening to Boston ATC at various times the Tower controller asks
a fligh
t
if they 'have got their numbers" (?) or a flight will say they're
not read
y
to proceed because they "don't have their numbers".
What does this mean as it doesnt translate here in the UK?
TIA

I've always heard the phrase used when ATC asks or a pilot responds
regarding whether they have the information broadcasted on a
AWOS/ASOS frequency. When the tower is open, its an ATIS, so theres
a letter to go with it. If the tower is closed, or there is no
tower, its just a continuously updated recording of numbers. Since
you can't say "We have information Bravo", you say "We have the
numbers". At KBOS I doubt the tower closes, so my guess is the
controller is using this term as a colloquialism for "ATIS
information"

If the tower is closed, or there is no tower, who are you
communicating "the numbers" to? *And who cares?

The center/approach controllers aren't going to clear you for an
approach until you tell them you have the weather at the airport,
whether the tower is closed or not.

Good grief, you're a compleat.. ......... idiot.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

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Well...

Good to know that the art of rational discourse is not yet dead in the
Land of the Free!

Guys, how does this sort of thing help promote the cause of GA flying?

Ed

eh, thats bertie you're responding to. He's not really into promoting
GA. He's more like the group's mascot dressed in a fuzzy animal suit
that struts around getting laughs from everyone, like they have at
baseball games. Actually, he's not even that. He's the generic
visitor's mascot that always gets beat up by the home team mascot
during the 7th inning stretch.

Ed Sharkey wrote in
:

On Mar 31, 10:14*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote
innews:929d52c7-f66f-4bc7-b3f7-4d1f69722
:





On Mar 29, 10:09*pm, Benjamin Dover wrote:
buttman wrote
innews:86c53833-2e0d-4ce2-84fa-c83801fdb
:

On Mar 28, 5:00*am, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote:

Listening to Boston ATC at various times the Tower controller
asks a fligh
t
if they 'have got their numbers" (?) or a flight will say
they're not read
y
to proceed because they "don't have their numbers".
What does this mean as it doesnt translate here in the UK?
TIA

I've always heard the phrase used when ATC asks or a pilot
responds regarding whether they have the information broadcasted
on a AWOS/ASOS frequency. When the tower is open, its an ATIS,
so theres a letter to go with it. If the tower is closed, or
there is no tower, its just a continuously updated recording of
numbers. Since you can't say "We have information Bravo", you
say "We have the numbers". At KBOS I doubt the tower closes, so
my guess is the controller is using this term as a colloquialism
for "ATIS information"

If the tower is closed, or there is no tower, who are you
communicating "the numbers" to? *And who cares?

The center/approach controllers aren't going to clear you for an
approach until you tell them you have the weather at the airport,
whether the tower is closed or not.

Good grief, you're a compleat.. ......... idiot.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well...

Good to know that the art of rational discourse is not yet dead in the
Land of the Free!

Guys, how does this sort of thing help promote the cause of GA flying?



I thought it was obvious.


Bertie

buttman wrote in
:

On Mar 31, 4:18*am, Ed Sharkey wrote:
On Mar 31, 10:14*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:



buttman wrote
innews:929d52c7-f66f-4bc7-b3f7-4d1f697
:

On Mar 29, 10:09*pm, Benjamin Dover
wrote:
buttman wrote
innews:86c53833-2e0d-4ce2-84fa-c83801fdb
:

On Mar 28, 5:00*am, "Mike Gilmour"
wrot
e:
Listening to Boston ATC at various times the Tower controller
asks

a fligh
t
if they 'have got their numbers" (?) or a flight will say
they're not read
y
to proceed because they "don't have their numbers".
What does this mean as it doesnt translate here in the UK?
TIA

I've always heard the phrase used when ATC asks or a pilot
responds

regarding whether they have the information broadcasted on a
AWOS/ASOS frequency. When the tower is open, its an ATIS, so
theres

a letter to go with it. If the tower is closed, or there is no
tower, its just a continuously updated recording of numbers.
Since you can't say "We have information Bravo", you say "We
have the numbers". At KBOS I doubt the tower closes, so my
guess is the controller is using this term as a colloquialism
for "ATIS information"

If the tower is closed, or there is no tower, who are you
communicating "the numbers" to? *And who cares?

The center/approach controllers aren't going to clear you for an
approach until you tell them you have the weather at the airport,
whether the tower is closed or not.

Good grief, you're a compleat.. ......... idiot.

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well...

Good to know that the art of rational discourse is not yet dead in
the Land of the Free!

Guys, how does this sort of thing help promote the cause of GA
flying?

Ed

eh, thats bertie you're responding to. He's not really into promoting
GA.

I've done nmore to promote GA, than you will ever do, accident-waiting-to-
happen boi.



He's more like the group's mascot dressed in a fuzzy animal suit
that struts around getting laughs from everyone, like they have at
baseball games. Actually, he's not even that. He's the generic
visitor's mascot that always gets beat up by the home team mascot
during the 7th inning stretch.


Good god you're an idiot. None of the sabove is the correct answer. I'm not
like anything.


Bertie

buttman wrote in news:eca76a4e-7efb-4614-b463-
:

On Mar 31, 5:43*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
On Mar 31, 1:10 am, buttman wrote:



The center/approach controllers aren't going to clear you for an
approach until you tell them you have the weather at the airport,
whether the tower is closed or not.

There's no provision for denying approach clearance to aircraft that
have not reported having the weather. *Aircraft that have not
reported
receiving the weather are to be issued the weather.

Right, but on one occasion, I remember hearing a controller ask a
pilot if he had the weather and NOTAMS for a particular airport he was
intending to do a practice approach at. The pilot responded that he
had the weather, but not the NOTAMS. The controller made him do a few
holds until he had a chance to bring up the NOTAMS to read to him. The
reason for the NOTAM was the one and only runway was closed. I'm not a
controller, but I'm pretty sure there is a rule that states a plane
can't be cleared for an approach until the controller is sure the
pilot has all the relevant information, including weather and notams.


You're a flight instructor, or at least you are in your dreams. A flight
instructor should know..

You don't,

So you're either a liar or a really bad instructor.

My money is on "all of the above"


Bertie

On Mar 31, 6:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote in news:eca76a4e-7efb-4614-b463-
:





On Mar 31, 5:43*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
On Mar 31, 1:10 am, buttman wrote:

The center/approach controllers aren't going to clear you for an
approach until you tell them you have the weather at the airport,
whether the tower is closed or not.

There's no provision for denying approach clearance to aircraft that
have not reported having the weather. *Aircraft that have not
reported
receiving the weather are to be issued the weather.

Right, but on one occasion, I remember hearing a controller ask a
pilot if he had the weather and NOTAMS for a particular airport he was
intending to do a practice approach at. The pilot responded that he
had the weather, but not the NOTAMS. The controller made him do a few
holds until he had a chance to bring up the NOTAMS to read to him. The
reason for the NOTAM was the one and only runway was closed. I'm not a
controller, but I'm pretty sure there is a rule that states a plane
can't be cleared for an approach until the controller is sure the
pilot has all the relevant information, including weather and notams.

You're a flight instructor, or at least you are in your dreams. A flight
instructor should know..

You don't,

So you're either a liar or a really bad instructor.

My money is on "all of the above"

Bertie



at least I know how to not put the gear up while the plane is on the
ground, bertie boi

On Mar 31, 10:07 am, buttman wrote:

at least I know how to not put the gear up while the plane is on the
ground, bertie boi

Now if you can show us all how you pull your head of your ass.

On Mar 31, 6:58 am, buttman wrote:

Right, but on one occasion, I remember hearing a controller ask a
pilot if he had the weather and NOTAMS for a particular airport he was
intending to do a practice approach at. The pilot responded that he
had the weather, but not the NOTAMS. The controller made him do a few
holds until he had a chance to bring up the NOTAMS to read to him. The
reason for the NOTAM was the one and only runway was closed. I'm not a
controller, but I'm pretty sure there is a rule that states a plane
can't be cleared for an approach until the controller is sure the
pilot has all the relevant information, including weather and notams.


I am a controller, there is no such rule.

buttman wrote in news:bc083583-9cfc-44b6-8c11-
:

On Mar 31, 6:55*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote in news:eca76a4e-7efb-4614-b463-
:





On Mar 31, 5:43*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
On Mar 31, 1:10 am, buttman wrote:

The center/approach controllers aren't going to clear you for an
approach until you tell them you have the weather at the
airport,
whether the tower is closed or not.

There's no provision for denying approach clearance to aircraft
that
have not reported having the weather. *Aircraft that have not
reported
receiving the weather are to be issued the weather.

Right, but on one occasion, I remember hearing a controller ask a
pilot if he had the weather and NOTAMS for a particular airport he
was
intending to do a practice approach at. The pilot responded that he
had the weather, but not the NOTAMS. The controller made him do a
few
holds until he had a chance to bring up the NOTAMS to read to him.
The
reason for the NOTAM was the one and only runway was closed. I'm
not a
controller, but I'm pretty sure there is a rule that states a plane
can't be cleared for an approach until the controller is sure the
pilot has all the relevant information, including weather and
notams.

You're a flight instructor, or at least you are in your dreams. A
flight
instructor should know..

You don't,

So you're either a liar or a really bad instructor.

My money is on "all of the above"

Bertie



at least I know how to not put the gear up while the plane is on the
ground, bertie boi



Yeah, You must write a book on that and send it to me.


Fjukktard.


Bertie

On Mar 31, 9:25*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:
On Mar 31, 6:58 am, buttman wrote:

Right, but on one occasion, I remember hearing a controller ask a
pilot if he had the weather and NOTAMS for a particular airport he was
intending to do a practice approach at. The pilot responded that he
had the weather, but not the NOTAMS. The controller made him do a few
holds until he had a chance to bring up the NOTAMS to read to him. The
reason for the NOTAM was the one and only runway was closed. I'm not a
controller, but I'm pretty sure there is a rule that states a plane
can't be cleared for an approach until the controller is sure the
pilot has all the relevant information, including weather and notams.

I am a controller, there is no such rule.

Well then it's an unwritten rule. I've witnesses a bunch of times a
controller refusing to clear a IFR plane further until the pilot has
verified he has weather and NOTAMS.