Jet-A users get screwed

What is your basis for saying this? Do you have data that shows that
aviation today is contributing more to the Feds than we are getting back
in services? I haven't seen much data on that, but what I saw some years
back showed just the opposite to be true.

This is the 600 pound gorilla in the room at every anti-airport,
anti-aviation meeting, and, as pilots and aviation supporters, we must be
prepared to counter these assumptions. We also must counter some very
ingrained beliefs amongst the electorate.

Sadly, I know what I'm talking about. (I wish I didn't.) As the founder of
my airport support group, Friends of Iowa City Airport, and also my AOPA
airport support network volunteer, I'm involved with this debate every day.
Here are a few thoughts...

- We must counter the assumption that *of course* taxes must go up, because
that's what they always do. Citizens are so used to this preposterous
state of affairs that they don't even question it anymore.

Taxes DON'T have to go up, nor should they. We, the people, should not be
condemned to the concept that we must eternally pay a larger percentage of
our income to government. We must reassert our control of this process.

- We must counter the attitude that "Oh, they can afford to pay it." This
is the classic "divide and conquer" theory of tax implementation that our
government has used successfully against its citizens since 1913 or so, when
the first income tax was enacted. By pitting one group against another,
they are able to obscure the reasons for raising the tax in the first place.
It's a classic, time-honored ploy that over time has resulted in each of us
paying over half of what we earn to our overseers.

- Airways and airports are a public trust, not a private enterprise, same as
highways and roads. My airport costs $112K per year in direct city taxpayer
support, and (according to a 2000 Iowa State University study) brings $5.5
million annually into the local economy. Sounds like a pretty damned good
investment to me. Multiply that times thousands of airports, and you've
spot-lighted the underlying reasons for supporting general aviation.

- Over the last 70 years the federal government (through first the CAA, now
the FAA) has incrementally expanded its control over the the system, some
would say unnecessarily. There is little question that the FAA (as with
most of our federal government) is bloated, top-heavy, slow moving, and
inefficient. Instead of enacting another huge increase in Jet-A taxation to
support this enormous entity, demand efficiency.

These are just a few things to talk about at your next cocktail party. I
don't have time right now to expand these arguments (I've got to head off to
work here shortly), but there are many other tactics to use when confronted
with anti-airport, anti-GA rhetoric. Many are philosophical, many are
factual, and many involve contrasting wasteful government spending habits
against what is actually spent on aviation.

The public is generally ignorant about what GA does for their communities.
If we want to continue to have airports to land at, it's our duty to spread
the good word.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
What is your basis for saying this? Do you have data that shows that
aviation today is contributing more to the Feds than we are getting
back in services? I haven't seen much data on that, but what I saw
some years back showed just the opposite to be true.

This is the 600 pound gorilla in the room at every anti-airport,
anti-aviation meeting, and, as pilots and aviation supporters, we must
be prepared to counter these assumptions. We also must counter some
very ingrained beliefs amongst the electorate.

Sadly, I know what I'm talking about. (I wish I didn't.) As the
founder of my airport support group, Friends of Iowa City Airport, and
also my AOPA airport support network volunteer, I'm involved with this
debate every day. Here are a few thoughts...

- We must counter the assumption that *of course* taxes must go up,
because that's what they always do. Citizens are so used to this
preposterous state of affairs that they don't even question it anymore.

Taxes DON'T have to go up, nor should they. We, the people, should not
be condemned to the concept that we must eternally pay a larger
percentage of our income to government. We must reassert our control
of this process.

- We must counter the attitude that "Oh, they can afford to pay it."
This is the classic "divide and conquer" theory of tax implementation
that our government has used successfully against its citizens since
1913 or so, when the first income tax was enacted. By pitting one group
against another, they are able to obscure the reasons for raising the
tax in the first place. It's a classic, time-honored ploy that over time
has resulted in each of us paying over half of what we earn to our
overseers.

This a different and broader discussion than just GA.


- Airways and airports are a public trust, not a private enterprise,
same as highways and roads. My airport costs $112K per year in direct
city taxpayer support, and (according to a 2000 Iowa State University
study) brings $5.5 million annually into the local economy. Sounds
like a pretty damned good investment to me. Multiply that times
thousands of airports, and you've spot-lighted the underlying reasons
for supporting general aviation.

It only costs $112K annually because the capital costs are largely
subsidized by the federal government. If the TRUE cost of the airport
were being paid by the local government, it would cost a LOT more than
what you have quoted. Do you know what one decent sized runway costs?
Do you know what the amortization of that is per year assuming even a 30
year runway life?

I'm a big fan or airports, but I'm also an engineer that believes in
data driven arguments, not emotions. Saying that the airport costs
$112K per year is so grossly misleading that isn't even funny.


- Over the last 70 years the federal government (through first the CAA,
now the FAA) has incrementally expanded its control over the the system,
some would say unnecessarily. There is little question that the FAA (as
with most of our federal government) is bloated, top-heavy, slow moving,
and inefficient. Instead of enacting another huge increase in Jet-A
taxation to support this enormous entity, demand efficiency.

These are just a few things to talk about at your next cocktail party.
I don't have time right now to expand these arguments (I've got to head
off to work here shortly), but there are many other tactics to use when
confronted with anti-airport, anti-GA rhetoric. Many are philosophical,
many are factual, and many involve contrasting wasteful government
spending habits against what is actually spent on aviation.

The public is generally ignorant about what GA does for their
communities. If we want to continue to have airports to land at, it's
our duty to spread the good word.

Absolutely, the benefits should be communicated widely and often.
however, we shouldn't try to hide the real cost of the airport either as
that simply makes us look like financial amateurs.

Matt

On Apr 27, 11:08 am, Matt Whiting wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:
What is your basis for saying this? Do you have data that shows that
aviation today is contributing more to the Feds than we are getting
back in services? I haven't seen much data on that, but what I saw
some years back showed just the opposite to be true.

This is the 600 pound gorilla in the room at every anti-airport,
anti-aviation meeting, and, as pilots and aviation supporters, we must
be prepared to counter these assumptions. We also must counter some
very ingrained beliefs amongst the electorate.

Sadly, I know what I'm talking about. (I wish I didn't.) As the
founder of my airport support group, Friends of Iowa City Airport, and
also my AOPA airport support network volunteer, I'm involved with this
debate every day. Here are a few thoughts...

- We must counter the assumption that *of course* taxes must go up,
because that's what they always do. Citizens are so used to this
preposterous state of affairs that they don't even question it anymore.

Taxes DON'T have to go up, nor should they. We, the people, should not
be condemned to the concept that we must eternally pay a larger
percentage of our income to government. We must reassert our control
of this process.

- We must counter the attitude that "Oh, they can afford to pay it."
This is the classic "divide and conquer" theory of tax implementation
that our government has used successfully against its citizens since
1913 or so, when the first income tax was enacted. By pitting one group
against another, they are able to obscure the reasons for raising the
tax in the first place. It's a classic, time-honored ploy that over time
has resulted in each of us paying over half of what we earn to our
overseers.

This a different and broader discussion than just GA.

- Airways and airports are a public trust, not a private enterprise,
same as highways and roads. My airport costs $112K per year in direct
city taxpayer support, and (according to a 2000 Iowa State University
study) brings $5.5 million annually into the local economy. Sounds
like a pretty damned good investment to me. Multiply that times
thousands of airports, and you've spot-lighted the underlying reasons
for supporting general aviation.

It only costs $112K annually because the capital costs are largely
subsidized by the federal government. If the TRUE cost of the airport
were being paid by the local government, it would cost a LOT more than
what you have quoted. Do you know what one decent sized runway costs?
Do you know what the amortization of that is per year assuming even a 30
year runway life?

I'm a big fan or airports, but I'm also an engineer that believes in
data driven arguments, not emotions. Saying that the airport costs
$112K per year is so grossly misleading that isn't even funny.



- Over the last 70 years the federal government (through first the CAA,
now the FAA) has incrementally expanded its control over the the system,
some would say unnecessarily. There is little question that the FAA (as
with most of our federal government) is bloated, top-heavy, slow moving,
and inefficient. Instead of enacting another huge increase in Jet-A
taxation to support this enormous entity, demand efficiency.

These are just a few things to talk about at your next cocktail party.
I don't have time right now to expand these arguments (I've got to head
off to work here shortly), but there are many other tactics to use when
confronted with anti-airport, anti-GA rhetoric. Many are philosophical,
many are factual, and many involve contrasting wasteful government
spending habits against what is actually spent on aviation.

The public is generally ignorant about what GA does for their
communities. If we want to continue to have airports to land at, it's
our duty to spread the good word.

Absolutely, the benefits should be communicated widely and often.
however, we shouldn't try to hide the real cost of the airport either as
that simply makes us look like financial amateurs.

Matt

I wouldn't want to hide the true cost of anything, but I would like a
level playing field.

None of the streets in my city pay for themselves--they all get paid
for by property taxes and other taxes, even if the property owner
walks and rides a bike.

No street generates its own revenue. But they all enable revenue to
be generated by the people and business that use them. Try having a
community with no streets.

Then, why does an airport have to "pay for itself"? It is a
transportation center, a business center, and it enables other
businesses to flourish. Those businesses and people pay the taxes
that support the community in general, as well as the airport.

The federal government supports lots of crap (The latest agriculture
bill has millions for thoroughbred horse racing. Go figger.) As long
as they tax me to support that, it's only fair to tax others to
support airports.

I'm a big fan or airports, but I'm also an engineer that believes in data
driven arguments, not emotions. Saying that the airport costs $112K per
year is so grossly misleading that isn't even funny.

The direct, taxpayer support of Iowa City voters for our airport is $112K
per year, and they reap $5.5 million in economic return. Those are the
facts.

Now, if you want to talk about state airport expenditures, like grants for
taxiway paving and hangar construction, that's another story. At our
airport these are fairly rare (too rare, most airport users would assert)
and are similar to what our state gummint spends maintaining and building
other gummint structures and facilities. Our runways haven't been repaved
since WWII, so I figure the state has gotten their money's worth out of
them.

Now, if you want to talk FEDERAL expenditures, those are REALLY rare, and
are so laced with stupidity, pork and lard as to drive strong men to drink.
For example, Rwy 25 here at KIOW has finally been extended 500 feet, and is
now slated to open in July.

This project has been in the works since (I kid you not) WWII. It was first
proposed sixty years ago, and denied or delayed countless times. Every time
it was proposed, new, more stringent regulations were in force, so all
previous EPA studies were invalidated and had to be redone -- at huge
expense.

If you add up the numerous "environmental impact statements", "obstruction
mitigation studies", and all the other ridiculous crap that the FAA
requires, that stretch of pavement becomes the single most expensive piece
of concrete in the history of the world. I can personally count several
MILLION dollars for that runway extension, which you or I would have had
paved for a tiny fraction of that...

In fact, if the interstate system was paved using the same criterion as our
runway extension, we STILL wouldn't have ten miles of it finished, some 50
years after it was begun.

Airport support is a complicated subject.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:mP9Rj.139404$yE1.14402@attbi_s21:

I'm a big fan or airports, but I'm also an engineer that believes in
data driven arguments, not emotions. Saying that the airport costs
$112K per year is so grossly misleading that isn't even funny.

The direct, taxpayer support of Iowa City voters for our airport is
$112K per year, and they reap $5.5 million in economic return. Those
are the facts.

Now, if you want to talk about state airport expenditures, like grants
for taxiway paving and hangar construction, that's another story. At
our airport these are fairly rare (too rare, most airport users would
assert) and are similar to what our state gummint spends maintaining
and building other gummint structures and facilities. Our runways
haven't been repaved since WWII, so I figure the state has gotten
their money's worth out of them.

Now, if you want to talk FEDERAL expenditures, those are REALLY rare,
and are so laced with stupidity, pork and lard as to drive strong men
to drink. For example, Rwy 25 here at KIOW has finally been extended
500 feet, and is now slated to open in July.

This project has been in the works since (I kid you not) WWII. It was
first proposed sixty years ago, and denied or delayed countless times.
Every time it was proposed, new, more stringent regulations were in
force, so all previous EPA studies were invalidated and had to be
redone -- at huge expense.

If you add up the numerous "environmental impact statements",
"obstruction mitigation studies", and all the other ridiculous crap
that the FAA requires, that stretch of pavement becomes the single
most expensive piece of concrete in the history of the world. I can
personally count several MILLION dollars for that runway extension,
which you or I would have had paved for a tiny fraction of that...

In fact, if the interstate system was paved using the same criterion
as our runway extension, we STILL wouldn't have ten miles of it
finished, some 50 years after it was begun.

Airport support is a complicated subject.

And obviously way over your head.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .

And obviously way over your head.


Bertie

Wow, yeah, you got him there Squirty. Really good point.


.......what was it?

God you're stupid.

"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in news:KXbRj.58533$QC.11776
@newsfe20.lga:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .

And obviously way over your head.


Bertie

Wow, yeah, you got him there Squirty. Really good point.


......what was it?


Over your head, obviously.

God you're stupid.



Nope.

Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:mP9Rj.139404$yE1.14402@attbi_s21...
I'm a big fan or airports, but I'm also an engineer that believes in data
driven arguments, not emotions. Saying that the airport costs $112K per
year is so grossly misleading that isn't even funny.

The direct, taxpayer support of Iowa City voters for our airport is $112K
per year, and they reap $5.5 million in economic return. Those are the
facts.

No...that's a "false alternative".

No...that's a "false alternative".

In what way?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:YwaRj.139457$yE1.111620@attbi_s21...
No...that's a "false alternative".

In what way?

It's a classic breech of logic - it portrays that X would not happen at all
if not Y. It deliberately confuses a _convenience_ with a _necessity_.

The number is likely correct, but it's relatively meaningless.