Feds Want to Equipe Gliders With Transponders and Radios

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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1) Provides a framework of preplanned manuvers for aircraft to use to avoid
each other (but only if they both see each other, know the regulations, and
are
inclined to follow them).


Actually, that is true if only one pilot makes visual contact too.

Not so.

If the other plane does not see you, it can't be expected/trusted to behave
according to the ROW regulations, so you can't know what it is going to do.
There is usually little that you can do to get the other pilot's attention (you
have no horn in an aircraft). So it is up to the pilot that DOES see the other
to do whatever it takes to avoid a collision...regulations be dammed.

In that situation, I usually manuver in such a way that I never lose sight of
the other aircraft. If I happen to be driving a glider, my manuvering options
are limited to left, right, and down. I probably can't climb, and I certainly
can't outrun an oncoming airplane.

Vaughn

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:55:53 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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1) Provides a framework of preplanned manuvers for aircraft to use to avoid
each other (but only if they both see each other, know the regulations, and
are
inclined to follow them).


Actually, that is true if only one pilot makes visual contact too.

Not so.


So if you see a glider in you path while piloting a powered aircraft,
but its pilot doesn't see you, you don't give it the right of way?

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:55:53 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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1) Provides a framework of preplanned manuvers for aircraft to use to avoid
each other (but only if they both see each other, know the regulations, and
are
inclined to follow them).


Actually, that is true if only one pilot makes visual contact too.

Not so.


So if you see a glider in you path while piloting a powered aircraft,
but its pilot doesn't see you, you don't give it the right of way?

I said no such thing. Kindly go back and read what I wrote.

Sorry, but I think you and I are done with this conversation.

Vaughn

In rec.aviation.soaring Larry Dighera wrote:
So if you see a glider in you path while piloting a powered aircraft,
but its pilot doesn't see you, you don't give it the right of way?

In my opinion, right of way is essentially useless when flying.

There are three relevant situations:

- You are on a collision course with another aircraft. You have the ROW.
- You are on a collision course with another aircraft. He has the ROW.
- You are on a collision course with another aircraft. Neither has the
ROW.

In all three situations the only reasonable thing to is the same: maneuver
to avoid by any means necessary.

Thus your inference is essentially backwards. Not only should the power
plane get out of the way of the glider, but the glider should get out of
the way of the power plane.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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So if you see a glider in you path while piloting a powered aircraft,
but its pilot doesn't see you, you don't give it the right of way?


So if you see a powered aircraft in you path while piloting a glider, but
its pilot doesn't see you, do you expect it to yield the right-of-way?

On Apr 28, 6:55*am, "Vaughn Simon"
wrote:
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message

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1) Provides a framework of preplanned manuvers for aircraft to use to avoid
each other (but only if they both see each other, know the regulations, and
are
inclined to follow them).

Actually, that is true if only one pilot makes visual contact too.

* *Not so.

* *If the other plane does not see you, it can't be expected/trusted to behave
according to the ROW regulations, so you can't know what it is going to do..
There is usually little that you can do to get the other pilot's attention (you
have no horn in an aircraft). *So it is up to the pilot that DOES see the other
to do whatever it takes to avoid a collision...regulations be dammed.

In that situation, I usually manuver in such a way that I never lose sight of
the other aircraft. *If I happen to be driving a glider, my manuvering options
are limited to left, right, and down. *I probably can't climb, and I certainly
can't outrun an oncoming airplane.

To give way you must turn to the right. You can certainly dive fast
and turn as well if you really wan't to generate a big separation. But
remember he won't see you as easily if you go below him.. Radio calls?

Cheers